Footballing Osteitis Pubis [Archive]

Cannavaro

07-04-2006, 07:48 PM

Hi all,

I realise that there are so many injuries on this forum associated with Osteitis Pubis so i'm going to keep this short...

How it happened: A year ago I was sprinting while playing football, felt a tear (thought is was an adductor) deep in the groin. The same feeling as when you pull apart an old frailed rope.

Pain: Shooting pain within the groin/adductor right up to the lower abdomen on the right side.

Treatment: Physio (nothing), Ultrasound (everythings good), Bone Scan (Mild Osteitis Pubis), Cortisone (nothing). Glute and Core strengthening has worked a little to help me run however kicking (trying to kick) lets me know the problem is still there.

Any thoughts?

Fabio.

Unregistered

07-04-2006, 08:22 PM

Sounds like kickers groin. Brath anasta (roosters) has the same injury. Could explain the prolonged rehab. However a good adductor tendinopathy takes quite some time to rehab as well. Have a read of the SMH article on Anasta.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/anasta-finds-a-way-to-kick-on/2006/03/10/1141701690096.html

cannavao

07-04-2006, 09:53 PM

Thanks for your reply.

I have been told that core strength plays a major part also, it's just that it has been so long and there hasn't realy been any sign of improvement so I was beginning to worry if something has been overlooked.

Anybody else had anything similar that can offer some advice?

One more question I have...during rehab is it best to:
a) have total rest
b) do light running and stretching
c) jogging and stretching or
d) strength work and stretching

Fab.

Stacy

02-05-2006, 06:54 AM

Fabio,

I just joined the osteitis pubis forum and suffer from the groin pain that you describe in addition to other symptoms. Be very careful about stretching!! Stretching is not recommended in the groin tendons (if you do it you will see that it just aggravates the problem). One of the best "stretches" is to put an object like a ball between your knees and squeeze for about 5 seconds, release and repeat. This is a much better way to loosen the muscles and tendons without adding damage. I will look for the web site that I have that has further information.

All the best,
Stacy

mel81

08-05-2006, 02:01 PM

Anyone know what type of rehab/core strength work anasta would be doing for this???

Coxy

08-05-2006, 02:55 PM

Anyone know what type of rehab/core strength work anasta would be doing for this???

Not specifically, but I've found pilates works quite well in my case.

steely834

16-05-2006, 08:16 AM

Hey, i had O, P for over two years i tried physio and other things such as anti inflams but that only slowed the problem it was still bad. I foun a bloke that works with the nervous system and he fixed me and nother mate with the same problem with 4 visits and his cheap i would have paid 500 to see him but he charges only $30 let me know if you want any details my email is steely834@hotmail.com

Peggy

24-05-2006, 09:56 PM

Anyone know what type of rehab/core strength work anasta would be doing for this???
I agree with Coxy. I suffer with OP and I'm working on core strength and stability. I'm working with a physio who specialises in Pilates & it works for me. It's very gentle, but I've improved 50% over the last 7mths.

Cannavaro

15-07-2006, 01:25 AM

Improving core strength does help alot however no matter how strong you are there will always be pain when you kick a ball, this is my problem anyway.

Has anyone tried returning to sport with the pain and just delt with it? Or is the pain telling us all that we should just stop altogether?

Fabio.

russell

15-07-2006, 05:40 AM

Hi Cannavaro, I did the same thing as you describe while playing soccer (we call it football in Scotland :-)) 3.5 years ago. it was diagnosed as mild osteitis pubis after an MRI scan. Like you, I've tried physio (3 different people), ultrasound and rest. However, the most progress I had was with a physio who massaged the muscles around the adductors in the hip and leg. He didn't go over the bone as that was really sore (probably is even without OP). This wasn't necessarily to fix the OP but it made sure that the muscles and tendons around the pubis were as good as they were going to be before trying exercise. He then slowly progressed me onto core strengthening and then running. I can now jog, swim and go on a bike with very little pain. However, if I try and kick a football then I can still feel the same kind of pain I was getting 3 years ago and the next day I have that horrible inflammatory pain in the groin that is very tender and sore (I'm sure you all know that pain too well!!). I had a flamingo x-ray, MRI and Ultrasound scan a few weeks back and they showed that I don't have OP anymore but the muscles and tendons are still a bit inflamed. So I had a steroid injection 3 weeks ago but I don't think that it has worked to remove the pain. Like you I'm starting to wonder if that's as good as the pain will get and will be something that I'm going to have to live with. I'm afraid that I've resigned myself to the fact that I won't play football again (I'm 30 and don't want to risk the OP coming back) but I can still do lots of other things that I couldn't do 3 years ago. I'd give this Pat Allen guy a go as it's worth a chance.

Cannavaro

15-07-2006, 02:42 PM

I feel your pain Russell, trust me I feel your pain.

Jogging, swimming, cycling I can all do, however when it comes to kicking a ball, ouch! I'm pasionate about playing football and there is no way this groin is going to stop me from taking the field again.

I'm starting to worry because I thought after a year the problem would all be good, most people playing football tell me that taking a few months off always helps, however after hearing other peoples stories on here including your own about 2/3 years passing and the problem still hasn't gone away realy scares me.

I'm not going to bother with any other medical help because honestly its all crap.

I guess we are all seeking this miracle cure...it has to be out there...

russell

16-07-2006, 11:53 PM

What I find really depressing is that I can kick a football with nearly no pain (as long as I take it easy) and so I think it's getting better and I'm nearly ready to go back to football. But then the next day or even a few days later the pain comes back which is really soul destroying. Part of me wishes that I felt pain doing the exercises so that at least I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Like you I hope somebody finds a miracle cure.

Cannavaro

17-07-2006, 02:57 PM

Are you still playing at all?

I've been running laps with the team and joining in some small training games but none of this involves sprinting or knocking a 50 yard ball in the air. When I think about the level that I used to play at I cringe and think that i'll never be able to play like that again.

The confusing thing is that with all this technology they still cannot pin-point exactly where the pain is coming from. I was diagnosed with mild osteitis pubis and was told after a few months I could return to competitive play, however after a year the pain is still there (although not as bad).

If your feeling pain a few days after, ice for 10 minutes after exercise will do the trick, this is what I have found anyway.

russell

19-07-2006, 05:53 AM

Unfortunately, I'm not playing at all at the moment as I tried to get back to kicking a football but it was still a bit sore. I'm giving the medical world another chance as I'm seeing a groin "specialist" to see if he can fix it.

I seem to be at the same level as you in that I can run and stuff like that. I put ice on it after excercising but I don't really like doing it as I feel it just hides the full extent of the problem (my own personal opinion). However, if this round of medical help doesn't work then I'll be trying to get back to sport e.g. football, and then just putting ice on it to reduce the pain.

The good thing is that every doctor I've seen has said that there's a very low chance that it'll go back to being as bad as it was even with playing football. So as long as I can put up with the discomfort then I could probably play football.

Do you get pain if you are standing (or sitting) for long time e.g. in a pub, at a concert, or sitting at work? The reason I ask is that I do and I wanted to know if this was a common symptom or just a side effect of my physio.

Cannavaro

19-07-2006, 02:59 PM

Initally when I did the injury I felt alot of discomfort while sitting down at work, it was like a knife was being jabbed into my groin. Even getting in and out of the car. After a few weeks to months that pain died down and I could only feel it when my leg turned the wrong way and also while doing sit-ups etc. Now though its fine with normal everyday activity. I can even do situps and the squeeze test without feeling it, so the improvement is there which has made me happy. I'm yet to get out there and kick a ball properly as i'm scared i'll make it worse.

How exactly did you do the injury? Myself, I was running onto a through ball and felt this tear in the groin, it felt like when you pull an old frail rope apart. I've always had sore groins which points to OP, however the pain I also feel in my lower abs and adductor leads me to believe I might have another issue. The doctors just say its OP so who knows realy.

I'll be keen to hear what the groin specialist says.

Fabio.

mel81

19-07-2006, 09:59 PM

You guys sound like me. I had the op, and have reinjured the groin, but can run and that ect without pain. Its when i step it up it goes awol. I am wondering if OP is the only problem too, am looking into that.

The worst pain i got and still get at times is the weirdest pain, like holing on to do a number two but more medial without needing too, but that kind of sharp stabbing pain. Comes and goes. But atm i just cant shake this groin weakness.

I need to get a good specific program for core and rehab of a speicalist in melbourne, think ill throw the season in though if i dont get improvement of ther the next fortnight, not worth the risk after such a long lay off already, 2 years!!

Mel

russell

20-07-2006, 04:09 AM

Like you Fabio I got the injury whilst playing football. I went to tackle a guy who was running across me and did it a bit awkward. I felt the whole lower abdomen pull badly and as you describe it was a bit like old rope being pulled apart. I stupidly kept on playing which obviously hasn't helped my recovery.

I don't get sharp pain whilst sitting down or standing for long periods it just gets tighter and more tender gradually but the same type of pain I was getting 3 yrs ago!! I think there's something else going on with my injury now as the scans I had a few weeks back (x-ray, MRI and ultrasound) didn't show any signs of OP. I think that the tendons and muscles in the lower abdomen, especially joining onto the pubis, have just been damaged badly due to the OP. This would hopefully mean that they should get better but when that'll be is the answer I'm looking for.

I see the specialist again in a few weeks but I can guess that all he'll say is that I should keep on doing my core stability exercises and jogging etc and it'll eventually settle down. But I've been hearing that for the last 3 years and it hasn't properly settled down yet!!

russell

20-07-2006, 04:13 AM

Hi Mel, I also get the same weird pain as you in that I feel like I need to go to the toilet all the time. This was really annoying when I first got OP as I'd be at the toilet every 30mins!! I mentioned this to the specialist and he said that this can occur as these muscles are used for a lot of things.

Paulie

20-07-2006, 04:54 PM

Cannavaro, I too had lower ab pain, didnt feel nothing in my groins until i saw a physio. But the lower ab pain was the worse, I couldnt have sex for a year due to this pain. But as of late I am pain free and hopefully it stays like that !!

russell

21-07-2006, 04:49 AM

Paulie, What treatment did you have to become pain free?

Cannavaro

21-07-2006, 02:55 PM

Hey Paulie,

Yeah its the lower ab pain which is realy killing me, I can feel it right in the pubic region. This is what hurts when I try to kick.

Mine has also gotten better but I can still feel it a tiny bit. This cold weather doesnt help either. As Russell has asked did you have any treatment?

mel81

21-07-2006, 02:59 PM

Pauly and I both went to Gary Miritis, he is in Glen Waverly at Miritis massage.

Paulie

21-07-2006, 04:24 PM

Saw Garry, usually takes between 2 - 4 treatments. I might be pain free, but its certainly not over yet. Got to get the strength back after being in bed for 6 months from depression, DVT & PE ....

russell

22-07-2006, 07:23 AM

Paulie, is there a name for the treatment he performed on you or was it just remedial massage on the lower ab/pubis area?

Have you tried pilates to build up your ab muscles?

Also, it's the lower ab pain that's killing me as well. It's right on and directly above the pubis and this is what hurts when I try and kick a football too.

mel81

22-07-2006, 09:20 AM

Russell, he does a whole host of different techniques mate. Without wanting to give too much away all ill say is that it bloody hurts, but gets better with each time you visit and that the only way you will know is to go and find out!

Cannavaro

22-07-2006, 12:54 PM

It's a bit hard when you dont live in Victoria.

Might check out if someone does a similar technique here in Perth.

russell

24-07-2006, 01:29 AM

Hi Paulie, I live in Scotland, UK so there's no way I can go and see this guy! I've had a look on their website and I'll send them an email to get some info of them so as I can try and find someone who does the same treatment in Scotland.

Cannavaro

25-07-2006, 02:36 PM

I have just read a silly yet very interesting article which says that the pain is all in the mind. The brain has learnt that there is pain there, however even when the injury has recovered the brain continues to remember the pain. And it takes a very long time for the mind to un-learn this.

I guess this could explain why some injuries take years to recover and some dont ever recover. Is it all in the mind?

I'm a sceptic so anything is possible, would be good if this true though hehe.

Any thoughts?

Paulie

25-07-2006, 04:26 PM

russell: did physio work for 6 months, I am sure it would of helped abit, but I give all my success to this special massage.
Cannavaro: very interesting article my friend.

vitt

25-07-2006, 04:32 PM

hey cannavaro that can be true about the pain, but not for everyone tho....I do know when I get a good straight away and the pain becames much less immediately. so for me if very real and I know it's there and can be better...

but I heard of the same thing, that can be a hell lot different to resolve I guess, v

Cannavaro

28-07-2006, 02:41 PM

Hi All,

Some information...

I have recommenced training again, running and small kicking exercises. Before doing any of this I warm up for half an hour, stretching all my leg muscles, lower back and lower ab strenghwork. What I have noticed is a huge correlation between tight gluteus muscles and groin pain. My aim is to re-align my legs so it takes less strain off the adductors and groin muscles, the way to do this is to loosen the gluteus musles (alot of stretching) and also strengthening these.

Here's a good exercise to see if your glutes are tight and limiting your range of movement. Lie on your back, on the affected side raise your leg and bring your knee to your chest. Your leg should maintain a straight line and your foot should stay straight also. If you have problems with this then your glutes are too tight, and your adductors have tightened also resulting in the increased pain and pressure on the groin. My right leg pushes out right and my foot twists in, which is a sign that I need to work on these muscles.

All the best.

russell

03-08-2006, 10:44 PM

Hi Cannavaro, glad to hear you've started light training again. How's it feeling now? Do you feel that it is still OK after the stretching and strengthening?It'll be a great feeling again just kiciking a football again.

I seen the specialist yesterday and the muscles are still a bit sore but I can start doing core strengthening excercises again as that's been 6 weeks since my steriod injection. I'm not too hopefully that this will get me back to full training but I'll give it a shot. I'm also going to look into finding an osteopath that can do remedial massage for this condition. I'll let you know how it goes.

p.s. Im actually visiting your beautifull country for the next 3 weeks as my mate lives in Brisbane and is getting married so Im really looking forward to it.

Cannavaro

09-08-2006, 02:32 PM

Hey Russell,

I'm slowly getting there, training is now at a medium pace and slowly getting competitive again. The adductor is pulling up ok, a little sore also in the lower abs but I guess after a year out thats all normal.

One worrying thing though is the sheering pain I get in my pubis when I sleep at night. Crept up on me last night after a hard training session. You ever experienced this while getting back into it? I used to have it years ago but never realy paid any attention to it. Good old OP will never die hehe.

Fabio.

Mayamki

29-08-2006, 11:33 PM

Hello to all,

Fabio Thank you 4 your reply it was nice an exiting waiting to see what you have to tell me. My Question is this, Is it normal after having OP to still feel pain when exercising ????? Is it Normal Or what , It means that there's still something wrong or that it will always be like this for the rest of his life.???? Can somebody answer me????

Desperate : (

vitt

30-08-2006, 01:17 AM

hey myakami

it's vitt here, well if there is still pain it means that the OP is still there, not much maybe but there is, or also that there are some muscles that are too weak. OP unfortunately isnt like a flu that's going to go away quickly, it is something that sits there even when you think you might be over it, so it is going to take some seriuos time...I am in touch with a guy from finland that does a small surgery to cure it if you are interested....he done many football players...but only if the physio doesnt work that is

hope this helps

vitt

Mayamki

30-08-2006, 09:11 PM

Hey,

How are you vitt it's been quite a long time how are? how is your OP???? I am really fed up by this OP it's so frustrating. Sometimes I am giving up, But I have to be strong for my husband but honestly I am really exosted. I am to the point to pray God to give it to me and heal it for him. It's not on me it's totally diffrent I know.
Thanks for your kindness hope your all well.

amanda

vitt

31-08-2006, 12:06 AM

hey amanda

how long had your husband had it for? you only been posting for a month or so

well....you see there are people that have it for years, I have had it for 18 months now, but some have it for long.

if you really get to the point where it is too much I can give you the email of this doctor in finland, it is non invasive mini surgery, have some documents from him if you want to have a look.....

I am arranging to go and see him in october, I have had enough too.

I have 2 more doctors appointment soon and if not good then I travel to see this man in finland...

take care vitt

Cannavaro

31-08-2006, 02:51 PM

I regards to the pain being there when exercising....

Firstly if the pain is serious that it actually limits you from running at speed or kicking a ball then there is something still wrong and stopping that stress on the groin is a must, if not then your going to make it worse.

There is always going to be pain there, however hopefully not too much. The ultimate plan is to continue exercising or playing your sport and slowly slowly having the pain go away. This is the aim of cortisone injections in the groin, pain is reduced in the hope that with continued exercise the pain will go away.

A little pain is good, it lets you know that you have to keep working at it and not give up.

Dont forget that rest is also a must beween physical activity, gives a chnace for the muscles to heal further.

Mayamki

31-08-2006, 07:08 PM

hello,

The fact that I have been posting here only for some weeks does'nt mean that my husband has OP since a month or two. He startied feeling the pain last year in October so it will soon be a year. And the fact that he is a football player makes it more horrible, because he is trying to heal it fast. Cause this is like Job for him so he is quite a bit in an hurry. Not only for that, it's because this OP needs time to heal and for sports ppl it is worst cause sometime they cannot wait months or years. It's a pitty cause many of them has to quite defently their daily sports. Op is very frustrating for everyday life I understand that, Imagine having to quite and let go practicely half of your life away by sttoping your profesional carrier because of it. That makes it worts beilive me. At this point I have nothing more to say I am to sad, ungry etc....... Well hope all of you be better and better every day. Vitt if you can send me details of this doctor in finalnd If not a problem I would be contacting him. Today my husband has phisio we'll see.

See you All....

vitt

31-08-2006, 08:38 PM

no worries amanda

just say that I gave you his details, put my name down, so he knows who I am......I send you all the documents from him about the surgery and the cases, he done mostly soccer players and say they all got help...but you have to pass some test for him to say ok to surgery, it is mini invasive tho

you have to have positive bone scan, mri and x-ray. I sent to him all my papers via email and he said one was ok for surgery, one too old and another needs doing again when I get there...so maybe you can do the same, by post

he's nice guy and reply fast, he the only one that does this surgery in europe

will email to that address you sent me the excericise

vitt

Mayamki

01-09-2006, 08:56 PM

Hello Vitt,

This is what he replyed to me yesterday. Phisio went well she told him that he has a slight sclerosis in his lower back she sad it's not that imposibble to re arrage it a bit. it could all came from this, she saw him runing walkin on the treadmil his left foot was perfect but the right one was about twsted to the out side slightly but it does make a big diffrence. and the fact that he uses his left foot to shoot the ball makes it even worst. So she explained that his right foot must be as much as strong as his left is because when you shoot a ball abvoiusly with the left foot you will stand on right one. So the right foot needs to be stady to support the power of the shoot. For me it makes a lot of sensce. Well see you later or monday ok in the mean timne good luck to you all.

Ostetis pubis, adductor magnus tendon insertion tendinitis and sportsman hernia are all very common in soccer players. Usually clinical test by an expert surgeon in sports will rule out adductor tensdinits. Osteitis pubis and sportsman hernia are very similar symptomatically. MTI T2-weighted should be done and bone scan + native x-ray. Both diseases can be cured by waiting 6-9 months without playing soccer. If this not helps, mesh hernioplasty TEP-procedure laparoscopically is suggested. Go MRI, and try to find a good surgeon.

Hannu Paajanen MD
Senior surgeon

vitt

02-09-2006, 12:23 AM

hey amanda

ok so she suggests physio more yeah?

hope it works for you, I gave you the paper, let me know if need anymore info on the doctor, what do you think about what you read?

let me know and good luck ok?

vittoria

Mayamki

04-09-2006, 04:29 PM

Hi vitt,

I think that he is right about not playing football for atleast 6 - 9 months it does make sence. The problem is if he would still feel pain after this period of time. Cause we cannot really affort to go there in finland for the operation. And here in Malta 99.9% wow'nt do it. Well I sent him back an email asking if he could atleast jog or run daily to keep fit. I let you know. See u all.

regards

Flash

09-09-2006, 10:32 AM

I posted at the other osteitis pubis thread know that this thread applies to me now as i dont not see it before.

Hi all I am currently a new member to this forum and have regested for a reason as i also now have cronic grion problems. I havent yet gone to see a Physo about my condition but do believe i have the disease of Osteitis Pubis as after 13 weeks of cronic grion pain.

I am a Young Australian Rules Footballer at the age of 17 who plays League footy for my local club. I had a very strong pre season this year as i was continuly running and pushing the limits to earn my spot in the squad. It all occured in the first half of the season where I felt a sharp pain in my left pubic bone while Running with high intensity at training, but continued to train as it was just a sudden pain sharp pain which went away afterwards. But two weeks after the sharp pain the injury became more cronic but continued to train as i believed it was just a cramp. anther 2 weeks on i couldnt train and i ended up missing 10 games (rest of the season) due to the injury.

I have pain all over my pelvic Gurtil ranging from my left pubic bone, right pubic bone, left adductor, right adductor, the bottocks, gluts ect. every day i wake up wondering where will the pain be next!!!

The injury has recovered a little bit which is a positive, meaning i can walk around at normal pace with no pain. But any running, jumping twisting, sitting in an unconfortble spot will agravate my injury.

I just want to know is how long do you thing I will obtain this injury and is there any sort of Anti inflammitries that will help mt condition?

How long should i rest i for before i start rehabilitation activities

Is there any sort of advice you can give me as i believe to have a bright future in football at a young age. Any sort of advice would be much appreciated

Thank You for your time.

kjwilkin

09-09-2006, 08:02 PM

Hi there,

First of all I'd get it properly diagnosed by a good sports physician. You are better off being properly diagnosed by a doctor. If you can see a sports physician that is on the medical team for an AFL team that's a good start.

In Melbourne there are quite a few good sports physicians that are involved with AFL teams. Where are you based ?

I've had numerous joint related problems and found with the help of a good sports physician and the right treatment that I'm heading back in the right direction.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Mayamki

13-09-2006, 11:12 PM

hello everyone,

What is the treatment he suggested to you?

Amanda

Gazaldinho

14-09-2006, 06:23 AM

Hi Guys

Not sure if this link is of benefit to anyone In Australia but found it on google

http://www.australianrules.com.au/2005stories/patallen.html

I'm from Edinburgh In Scotland and I've been out with this injury since March, receiving Physio since July. Been back at the gym for about a month and it is helping but i am still feeling the pain, although not when at the gym. My physio has talked about an operation or possible injections into the groin (don't fancy that)

Anyone had the op or the injections?

Cheers

Gary

russell

19-09-2006, 05:31 AM

Hi Gary, I live in Dunfermline and have had OP for a while. In June I had steriod injections and I'm afraid they don't seem to have done much. I've seen loads of physios and doctors who say they can treat the condition but it doesn't look like they can. I'm trying to find somebody in Scotland who does the same type of treatment as a sports massage guy called Gary Miritis in Perth, Australia as he is also meant to be really good at fixing OP. I'll let you know if I find anyone.

Cannavaro

19-09-2006, 02:48 PM

Hi All,

I have said this before but i'm going to stress it again...stretch stretch stretch! And its not about stretching the adductor, instead you need to stretch your hips, the illiotial band running down the side of your hip/leg, your glutes, hamstrings, basically everything in that area. There are no set instructions on how to stretch, its as if everyone is looking for the manual on "how to fix OP". Just try a range of movements and stretch for a good 30 mins. Along with some strength work you should see some major improvement.

Thats my 2 cents anyway

Anthony25

21-09-2006, 06:05 AM

the same thing happened to me as cannavaro. i was playing astro football and felt a sharp pain in my right groin (kicking leg if that makes any difference). However 5 days later i was able to plat tag rugby for 30 mins no problem. Next night i had a pain that felt what i imagine a hernia to feel like. I went playing tag and felt it disappeared as i played. After that sneezing, situps etc were casing me pain. i though it was gilmore's groin but a physio diagnosed me with osteitis pubis. i had an mri and steroid injection to kill off the inflamation around my pelvis. the pain is gone now but my physio said to rest for 10-12 days. im am to do a rehabilitation course with him now 4-6 wks he said. he wants to build up my core from scratch to prevent this happening again. i'll let you know how i get on. dont give up.

Mayamki

23-09-2006, 12:11 AM

hello everyone,

I'm getting mad in here cause some doc told my husband not to sretch and some of them told him to actually strech. I don't really understand did they study the human body or what???? everyone seems to have him theory but none if it, is working. i'm quite dissapointed about this situation, would u be???. Next doc theory is the reason for op is that his inner tight muscles ( Groin) are to tensed streched he has to try and soften them cause that is what is causing the op. this muscles are not working properly due to this the pubic area is doing an extra job that is why it gets imflammed.

Well i let you know what we'll happen next.

Get well soon to all of u xxxxx

Amanda

vitt

23-09-2006, 03:15 AM

hey amanda

this is always been an odd one for me too...i have heard the same thing, stretch and then dont....

it is true tho then when you have a muscle spasm, so the muscle is shorter it pulls on the pubic so to create inflammation,

maybe he should try both, and see which works for him.....

personally I tried the stretch but it just made it worst, some people say that powering the muscle works too....

to tell you the truth sounds just like you doing what everyone else is been going thru.....

good luck and write more

vitt

Flash

29-10-2006, 04:20 PM

Hey every one

I was i here before and my OP has started sign of improvements but is still sore when i sit down in uncomfortable positions eg when im typing on the computer.

I have been doing Sit up/crunches as well as in the ball in the middle not puting alot of pressure in it when i squeeze as last time i did it like 2 months ago it go worst.

Is this the right thing to be doing?? and should i be taking anti inflammaties on a long term basis? I found that i think it was called Fenac worked for me to keep the pain down but i want to know when can i start running/playing sport again?

Is there like some sort of sign to when you know its all completly gone? as some mornings when i wake up i feel like im 100% but after 2 - 3 hours i start to feel the pain. I would have had it now for about 4 months going in 5 soon

Is there any other advice some 1 can give me on this forum? i go to a sports doctor on tuesday for the 1st time. What am i expected to happen when i see him??

Thank You for your advice, is much appreciated :)

Cannavaro

31-10-2006, 03:36 PM

Flash,

Sit-ups and Cruches are the worst thing you can do if you have OP. The reason for this is that the abs and lower abs have connections to to pubis, and as a result your putting extra strain on the pubis. Dont be confused with abdominal strength vs core strength. Core strength is a completey different thing and is very important in controlling OP.

I have had OP for a year now and only lately (with proper physio and a pilates type rehab program) it has gotten better.

My advice is to get onto a good Physio who deals with national sporting teams. If your in Perth I can give you the name of a good Physio.

Flash

03-11-2006, 03:58 PM

yeh Cheers Cannavaro

I acually got told this on Tuesday when i saw My sports doc and just had MRI today.
If its really bad i might have to come up to perth but at the moment im down south in Bunbury. Ill let you know how it is in a week as they have to check to see how it is.

Thanks Cannavaro :)

Flash

13-11-2006, 03:25 PM

Just got back from the sports doc today and it appears from the MRI scans I have Chondral Marrow Oedema:( Bilaterally <-- ( both sides sorta) adjacent to the pubic symphysis. I have been adviced to go and seea physio for my condition.

Has any One here had a simular Dignosis? and advice? :)

Hipster

14-11-2006, 11:19 AM

Seeing a good sports physio ASAP is definitely the first and best option. The bone marrow oedema is a sign that there is overload of the bone to the extent that the healing can't keep up with the repetitive microtrauma. This is not good as over time the body lays down more and more bone to protect itself which makes it harder for the mechanics to return to normal.

You will need lots of soft tissue work through your adductor muscles, hip flexors and gluts/piriformis. You will also need really specific retraining exercises to improve your pelvic stability, this includes exercises for your pelvic floor muscle, transversus abdminus and deep lumbar extensors.

If this doens't help the next step is to look at more invasive options such as cortisone injections into the pubic symphysis or surgery. These should only be used as an adjunct to conservative management or if it fails. This is because you still need to address the underlying problem, which is the pelvic stablility.

Hope that helps
Hipster

Flash

16-11-2006, 02:27 AM

yeh cheers m8

have u had this problem ur self?

vitt

16-11-2006, 06:08 PM

hey hipster

what do you mean by soft tissues work, you mean massage as well? on top of the excercises?

cheers hey, in case you have some more detailed excercises that target OP it would be great of you to share them with us pls...

cheers hey

Hipster

16-11-2006, 06:17 PM

Yeah, soft tissue work would be deep massage, trigger point therapy, myotherapy to break up the tendon adhesions, improve the flexibility of the passive tissues, and decrease the muscle tone. Anything to assist those muscles to relax so that the stabliser muscles can work more effectively.

With regard to the exercises, they're really hard to describe in writing. You really have to be taught them one on one by an experienced practitioner. Sports physio's are the experts at treating OP and other pelvic/spine related conditions in athletes as well as the general population

Hope that helps
Hipster.

vitt

26-11-2006, 06:45 PM

hey guys

check this one out

http://www.drmirkin.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=391

I told my doct and he said that it makes sense and worth a try, will try soon,check it out

vitt

Cannavaro

27-11-2006, 03:22 PM

I just had a read, what exactly does it involve though?

swoop

27-11-2006, 05:14 PM

hi all.

I think i'm in the same boat as many here and its so frustrating and am very glad i found this site. I play Aussie Rules in coutry Victoria and a bit of indoor soccer (not currently just resting). Pulled up a bit stiff in the left groin/hip area after a game and didnt really didnt think much of it, then the next week i played out 3 quarters and could barely run. I was diagnosed with a mild form of Osteitis Pubis about 6 months ago after a bone scan and physios advice. Firstly the physio gave me exercises to strengthen my lower stomach muscles and told me to rest, i did this for about 10 weeks and made a comeback, but still wasnt right. Got through to the end of the season but was always struggling. Over that time and to now i'd seen-

Physio (advised strengthening, rest)
Doctor (anti-inflammitries)
Bowen Therapist (work the groin muscles lightly and gave me a few exercises)
Remedial Masseus (work the muscles pretty intensely and gave me some stretches)
Chiropractor (pelvic/back adjustments and exercises)

im still not sure who was/is the best option but the masseus probly gave me the most relief and got me back on track temporarily.
im currently trying all avenues and have been seeing the chiropractor to get adjustments (ie cracking) on my pelvis and doing his exercises. Still not sure what the best option is, so its very frustrating and i dont really no the answer to this problem.

So from reading most posts here i see main avenues for recovery in:

-Core Strengthining Exercises
-Medication ie Anti-Inflammitries, Injections
-Remedial Masseus, big name guys like Maritis, Allen.
-Surgical Operation
-Complete Rest

dont know any others really, that seem to work. I think it would be good thing for some kind of study to be set up (if there hasnt been one) into this type off injury cause it seems to be very prominet these days and there is no clear answer in what is the best recovery.......SO FRUSTRATING!

Flash

27-11-2006, 06:38 PM

Hey swoop i here your frustration. I played Aussie Rules and have got OP and have had it for the past 6 months. the even more frustrating thing is that i am young 18 years of age and it has really slowed me down. Im not sure if mine is simular to yours but i have Subchondral marrow oedema bilaterally adjacent to the pubis symphysis. Mine appeared hyperintence on the T2 weighted imagies.

I have got the term marrow Oedema, and have been taking anti- inflammitries and may also need injections to help the injury recover. i am also have started physio work which at this stage is too early to tell if it has improved my injury.

10 weeks is not a good idea to return i believe if u have mild OP and u will here about this from otheer experianced forum members as well. my OP is still indifiante so im unsure when it will be fully healed but with your condition, its important not to agrevatied it of course and you may have to discontinue any such sporting activities which give you pain for at least 4-5 months. its been 4 months no sport and i still cant ran/ jog.

Sorry to say the Key is REST REST and more REST

vitt

27-11-2006, 06:40 PM

hey fabio

is an infusion, you get from hospital or doctor, lots of liquid into you throu the veins, do I search on the net i found other things about it, positive.

it's used by people with bone disease and pain, my doctor said it is a good idea and shame he didnt think of it before,it makes sense.

ciao vitt

Cannavaro

30-11-2006, 12:17 PM

Hi all,

I have just had a second Cortison injection (adductor origin) yesterday on my troubled right groin, and for the first time in 16 months I am pain free. I have yet to go out for a training session however early signs are very promising.

Initially I had an injection into my Pubis and this did not do anything, however this time it has made a big difference in the adductor.

Anybody had much luck with Cortisones? My doctor say's that it doesnt only help with immflamation and pain relief but also breaks down existing scar tissue etc.

Hopefully it all goes well.

Fabio

dmglampers

01-12-2006, 10:59 AM

Doses of predisone and cortizone is linked as a cause of avascular necrosis in the bone. I have had cortizone injections for a joint other than my hip (tempromandibular) There was a slight scare on one of the injections, the joint swelled to the extreme, much to the embarrasment of the specialist. But to the most part the treatment was nothing short of a mirracle for me. As with all things you have to weigh up the positives with the negatives.

Good luck!

Cannavaro

01-12-2006, 03:53 PM

Anything you do to the Human body that is not natural is considered a risk, so as you said there are always going to be linked problems, but this a risk people take everyday with everything.

Cortisones get mixed reviews I think because we have the mix of old-school vs modern sports medicine techniques.

Anybody else got any other success or un-successful stories?

vitt

01-12-2006, 06:04 PM

hey fabio

i tried the intravenous stuff and it worked for me, well felt much better after the first one, needs to be repeat once a month even for a year.......

try it, it worked nice, didnt get rid of it all but some, so maybe repeating it....

ciao

billhill

04-12-2006, 01:14 AM

I had a cortisol injection straight into my adductor tendon. For two weeks i was pain free but then the symptoms returned the same as before. I'm pretty sceptical about cortisol injection as they just hide the pain and don't fix the problem. Plus if you get them too often they actually destroy the tendon and drastically increase the chances of a rupture.

Cannavaro

04-12-2006, 11:15 AM

Yeah, the doctor who gave me the injection actually told me they never inject into the tendon because of what you said, it weakens the tendon. They injected me near the adductor origin.

I realise it basically masks the pain but others do talk about some long term benefits also. My pain level went from a 7 down to a 3, so it has helped me a little.

Flash

14-12-2006, 01:03 AM

Hello again I have a Question for all you experianced posters and those who have a good knowledge on the subject of Osteitis Pubis. first of all I have had this problem since June (so 6 months now) and have done nothing ( and i mean nothing) to aggrivate it for 2months stright now. I am doing Physio working the core muscles simular to platies i think also using one of those big gym balls to strenghen the lower abdominals but not doing any sit ups or hip flexers as ive been told to leave out by the sports doc. I have been doing physio for 1 month now ( i know not long) but my question is....

Is Returning back to sport a sort of a risk taking situation? when i say that i mean how do you know when ur fully cured?

do you just have to take a punt when your feeling really good and start on some light training??? such as running/cycling/swiming (not including breststroke)

I am not yet in my 20s and very sporty and this is killing me not being out there playing summer sports (cricket) and winter sports (football afl)

so the summary Question is should i just risk it or get advice from my sports doc as i see him later this week? I am hoping i will be able to start doing light training by february. from experence what would the % chance of this happing??? I feel no pain when i walk and havnt tried to run for 2 months now.

Cheers

Flash

Cannavaro

14-12-2006, 01:28 PM

Return slowly with some light running and then just progress though. Dont however try kicking right away because you dont feel any pain while your running, I have done that many times and it just does further damage.

OP is funny in the sense that it can return no matter how much rest you have had, but if you have improved your core strength and glute muscles then you might be on top of it, so that should help you out.

My plan is for a february return also, If I was you you should keep resting until the new year, start light running in Jan, increase it a little in Feb then join your side in March.

David E

15-12-2006, 12:18 PM

Hi Flash,

My timing of the injury start and current status is similar to yours although our ages are very different. You should have an advantage in healing speed although it is likely your bodies structural development may not be established just yet. Have you been doing any weight programmes as part of your training in the past?

I have also followed the do nothing path (as advised) and when I have felt OK tried to increase activity. This was very frustrating for a while as I sensed no change but in the last three weeks have moved back into a gym environment to work on whatever I could. The ability to control your activity with equipment is I believe important in the early stages of recovery. e.g. start running on a treadmill so you can get off whenever you need to and you don't need to walk home with that annoying pain.

The focus for me has been the bike and upper body weights along with some core work although most core work generates some discomfort still for me. What I have been able to achieve is getting some fitness back and definitely getting some body strength back.........at least I am not wasting or losing fitness and thats a big mental bonus.

I am now running a little and really listening to my body and concentrating on technique This is absolutely crucial in avoiding re-injury.

I agree with Carnavaro.............NO KICKING or anything other than straight line work where you are able to stabilise the hips. Swimming is questionable but I am about to get back in the pool and test where I am at. Earlier on it was impossible to kick in freestyle so I have stayed out of the water. I'll let you know how it goes.

Good luck, be patient and listen to your doctor.........who are you seeing in Perth?

Cheers
David

Flash

15-12-2006, 09:36 PM

Thanks for the Advice cannavaro and Dave. I saw the sports doc today and he has stated pretty much what you both have said. Start of walking/ slow jog, cycling, and a bit of walkin/ jogging in water up to waist height.

He has told me to gone on this 8 week Training/rehab program of the various activies in which i have stated above, with a day or 2 rest in between.

cannavaro that sounds like a good idea to return in Feb, I probably will rest to the end of the new year, as well start light running in Jan like ya self, increase it a little in Feb then join your my side in March.

Dave I have been on and off with my weights program in the past yes i was doing upper body at least twice a week during the footy season and at the start of last seasons pre-season, now i prob only do once every 2 weeks which makes no sence at all.

I am a bit scared to starting to kick so i will not be doing that until feb probably. I go to a South West sports doc as im in that region, he knows what his talking about as well. good doc.

Any way cheers for the advice best of luck with your Training Programs

Cheers

Flash

Flash

19-12-2006, 12:32 AM

Hey I was just wondering if any one here had has an Aqua punchier to reduce pressure to there Grion? Has it helped as in pain and long term relief?

Cannavaro

02-01-2007, 02:48 PM

I'm looking at doing the acupuncture if my groin doesn't make it through pre-season...There are a number of players in my team who swear by this treament on the groin.

swoop

17-01-2007, 07:05 PM

howdy all,
Ive had a form of Osteitis for around 8 or so months now.
Last week i made a visit to the famous Pat Allen (in country vic), this blokes a legend. Appointment went for about 15 minutes, he kinda flicked nerves around my groin and the side of my hip for the majority of that time, said i was tight around that whole area and he was trying to release all the tension. Week later and im moving alot more freely and am kicking the sherrin and soccer ball around with ease. Two more visits to him and he reckons ill be fixed.

Also told me the week before that the Kangaroos FC, Collingwood FC and Vic Bushrangers cricket club put him up in Crown ****** for 3 nights whilst he worked on players from these clubs, so is very highly regarded. Not to sure if there any people out there like him round Aus because he said he has people coming down from Cairns, Canberra up from Melbourne (bout 5 hours north of Melbourne) and even one woman from Italy. hes a gun :thumbsup:

Cannavaro

13-02-2007, 09:28 AM

I have been out of action with OP since August 2005. I have tried everything to get back to playing my much loved game.

In the last few months I have found the biggest gain in deep tissue sports massage to the legs and lower back, realy focussing in the adductor and glute region to relieve any tightness, release the muscles and breakdown further scar tissue (which is the reason for most chronic pain). Nothing feels as good as these massages (1 every 2 weeks...$60 for an hour session) and considering physio's charge the same amount for 10 minutes, I know where my money lies.

I am now back to the competitive level where I can train again with my team.

If you have groin pain, adductor pain or OP it is worth getting a rub down, but for it to be useful it realy needs to hurt, so be sure to tell your masseuse to work hard.

Flash

01-03-2007, 08:17 PM

Cannavaro WHAT SORT OF CREAM do they use for the rub down? It HAS NOW BEEN 9 MONTHS OF OP FOR ME NOW AND I CANT STAND IT ANY MORE AT MY YOUNG AGE. Is this done in Perth somewhere?

Did you get the corti co steriod injection done or just the rub?

every time i slowly start progressing to jogging my pubic symphysis hurts and it doesnt feel right and will take 2 days for the pain to go away.

how effective do you think the rub is?

Cheers

Flash

Cannavaro

02-03-2007, 09:35 AM

Hey Flash,

I have had OP for 18 months, it has only been in the last 3 months where I have realy improved.

All I get is a normal Sports Massage, no weird creams or anything, just oil.

I have found the biggest relief from it as it realy loosens up the entire pelvic area. I have had problems with OP but mainly the pain is deep in my adductor area so a deep rubdown there works well for me. Make sure they focus on your legs mainly.

This coupled with alot of Glute, Hamstring, Hip Flexor and groin stretching has done me wonders.

I had a Cortisone injection in November which helped however that wore off in January.

Initially rest works however after a while you need to find some motivation and push yourself. I have been training with the main squad for 4 weeks now, and if some pain does pop up, Ice becomes my best friend.

All the best.

Flash

02-03-2007, 11:04 PM

So are you saying brfore you train you should for example warmup obvoiusly (shower,spa) followed by some deep heat, then after you train if a bit of pain you should take some anti inflammities followed by ice or ricer???

Cannavaro

03-03-2007, 01:08 AM

I get to training about 30 mins before the main group so I have time to prepare. I have bought myself some skins compression shorts which do wonders for the adductors and hamstrings. I also use deep heat when not wearing the skins.

I make sure I have a light jog then stretch all my muscles for a good 10 minutes. Followed by a faster jog then more stretching. The groin should only be stretched once you are completely warm. Incorporate some side shuffles in the jogging to get your adductors working. If you feel loose and can run at half pace with no pain then you are doing well.

But remember I have had this for 18 months now...after 9 months I still had alot of pain and was not playing any sport. Had I of known then what I do now, I think after 3 months I would have been back playing.

The key is loose muscles, stretching and just getting some overall conditioning back into the muscles.

Flash

03-03-2007, 12:10 PM

Ok Cheers Cannavaro

i got to try something to get back into some training

Just One more Question With the Injection you got do they do that while you are lying down? or whats the go with that?

and last for 2 - 3 so months? but i can understand it varies.

Cheers

Flash

Flash

04-03-2007, 05:31 PM

Does Any One know the Postitives or Negitives on Glucosamine Salfate substances, With Footy Osteitis Pubis.

Can it help the osteitis pubis heal quicker?

Cheers

Flash

droche 2004

05-03-2007, 01:05 PM

Hello all.

I too have decided to return playing Soccer after missing 10 years due to a Reco.
My kicking leg quad and groin where sore, but the concentration was in the quad.
Saw 2 massage people, and 2 physio people and a ciro, all said I have a strained quad.
It felt to me like a massive cramp everytime I kicked the ball. Couldn’t sprint and defiantly couldn’t kick a ball with any sort of force.
WELL on the weekend saw a brilliant Ciro, I have never been examined like this before and the problem was obvious when shown to me through tests.
My hips and lower back where out and also lack of circulation through my groin to my quad. I could feel the pulse rate different from one side to the other.
Everything is back related.
I have seem him only once and spent about an hour adjusting and taking the time with me to asses the problem, for the first time in months if not years I had NO pain and understanding why is the key.
So my advice is, if you think the treatment you are getting is not working then keep searching until you get the answers you like. I believe that there are so many uninformed practitioners out there just trying to make money, and then there are the people who know and study to understand what the answers are. It like a car mechanic, some good ones and some that are just crap, well you don’t continue putting your car in just hoping your car will be fixed?

white

21-03-2007, 12:25 PM

Anyone who can help,
I am actually from the US and play American football along with lacrosse. I have been told that this is generally a footbal (soccer) injury generally from the kicking motion along with sprinting. However i have definately managed to come down with OP mainly from sprinting and over use. I think it is safe to say that this injury is easily one of the more frustrating problems. I have generally been resting, stretching, and using the bike for cardio, does anyone have experience or know how long it will generally take to recover and come back to a full speed sprint with little to no pain?

-any input would help.. thanks
-T. white

Cannavaro

21-03-2007, 02:29 PM

Flash

21-03-2007, 10:03 PM

HAD IT FOR ALMOST 10 MONTHS NOW with slight improvment.

prob go get an corticosteriod injection to calm some pain down, in which i hope helps it heal ( dont think it does tho) but least would be able to do exersices pain free

best of luck do something about it now

white

22-03-2007, 09:43 AM

Hey White,

I have/had op for 18 months now and am finally back to full training. I still get a little soreness now and then however I can compete which is most important.

I tried core strengthening, physio and rest for the first year and I did not improve.

For me rest did nothing at all, infact in my opinion it worsened the situation as it made sore muscles (adductors) weaker and weaker. For the last 6 months i've been getting massages to realy loosen up my pelvic/adductor area and alot of stretching as you are doing. The looser I feel the better. From December I have gone to jogging with no pain, to running, to sprinting and now my kicking is just fine.

Scar tissue is the reason for most chronic pain, hence why deep massaging in the area works.

All the best.

Thanks Cannavaro,
I see where you are coming from with the loose muscles, I will continue stretching and definately look in to massages. It is really tough having this injury, I have not met anyone who has actually heard of OP, aside from the doctor who diagnosed me, and still I feel he has encountered the problem maybe once before. It seems that OP is much more common in Europe as well as Australia where soccer is so popular. This makes finding information very difficult.
At what point did you begin to realize that rest was not helpful? and how long was your recovery once on the right program? I have felt the pain retreat from my lower abdominals and surrounding area and its now more concentrated deeper in my groin.
- thanks for your input

Cannavaro

22-03-2007, 03:03 PM

I did my injury in August of 2005...

Took the rest of the season off then tried getting back into pre-season in January 2006. Still no improvement at all.

Decided to take the rest of the year off. Tried again in August of 2006, still very sore. From here is when I started properly with the stretching and massages etc. Come January 2007 I felt very good, and now i'm at full strength.

My lower ab pain has completely gone however during some tough session I do feel the deep groin, so similar to what you have at the moment.

white

23-03-2007, 09:46 AM

Thanks that helps, when you talked to physicians did they help much.. or was it really you just experimenting with different things? what was your schedual like with the stretching and stuff.. like how many times a day?

Julz

26-03-2007, 10:32 AM

Hi All,

My OP story started last year in 2006 where I played soccer all year with a dodgy groin which anti-inflams. got me through each game.
By the end of the season I couldn't get myself out of bed, so I decided to go see a physio which I than later had a CT scan which showed a mild OP.
The physio get me into starting core strengthening programs like pilates, which I commenced in Dec '06. I also was told to do weight strengthening programs to increase my overall body strength as well as cycling and swimming on the other days, which has been fantastic. I also have now completed my 6 week running program which I staggered my progress from light jogging to running from 60-70-80-90-100%, I also have completed 2 x 4km runs which I really hadn't had any pain. So, last week I was given the all clear from both sports doc and physio to train with my team. During training there wasn't any pain just stiffness, but 3 days later I have pain in the groin area where I was diagnosed with OP. It wasn't as bad as when it first started, but it still is present. Does anyone have the same symptoms like I have where groin muscles feel stressed and fatigued? What other activities/programs are out there to help strengthen the groin muscles?

Matthew McNamara

27-03-2007, 07:07 AM

Hey, I have a a preseason of injuries with hamstrings and groin, and have just found out my pubic bone is badley inflamed. Was wondering if you could point me in the right direction of who the nervous system guy is? I have just started palates and working on core stregth and I am willing to try anything to get on the field this year!!

Hey, i had O, P for over two years i tried physio and other things such as anti inflams but that only slowed the problem it was still bad. I foun a bloke that works with the nervous system and he fixed me and nother mate with the same problem with 4 visits and his cheap i would have paid 500 to see him but he charges only $30 let me know if you want any details my email is steely834@hotmail.com

Flash

31-03-2007, 02:16 PM

I know there has to be something out there to speed up the healing recovery than rest, and rehab exercises. any well know substances or any thing which may help?

Cheers Flash

Cannavaro

01-04-2007, 01:22 AM

No such thing as a miracle cure mate..even if there was, if you don't correct the cause of the problem the injury will return.

Try a sports massage...

Francine

01-04-2007, 02:17 PM

hey guys
i think that garry miritis - melbourne is the closest thing to a miracle cure :) i tried a few other avenues including anti-inflams, cortisone, etc.. but once i started seeing garry, i actually got results and now i'm basically fine! if you've had OP for ages (or even just diagnosed) it is prob worth the cost/time associated with coming to melbourne (if you are interstate or overseas) because you will prob end up spending all that money on other treatments which might not have the same positive results as a few sessions with Garry.. anyway, everyone is different but if you are stuck for answers, i would recommend the above :)
cheers!
francine

Steve020

05-04-2007, 12:29 PM

so as another OP sufferer, interesting to read about everyone elses experiences, i myself have had the condtion coming up to 5 years and as only 20 now, i find it very frustrating. i've recently had to "retire" from afl after playing about 15 games in this time and enough is enough.
i have seen everyone u could imagine; the best doctors, physios, acupuncture, natural therapists, garry miritis, pilates, yoga, chiros the works and in my opinion possibly getting progressively worse.... my latest issue has been the complete lack of control in my pelvic region a 5 minute hit of tennis 4 months ago led to that region convulsing for approx 30 secs and extreme pain with nothing i could do, anyone else experienced that?
also an extremly sharp stabbing pain in my pelvic region where its like i need to go to the number two but i dont if that makes sense?

in my opinion, the longer left untreated, not treated properly, played with the more chronic it becomes and more difficult to fix. Flash forget about the injections, they only mask the pain and from experience no long term benefits and u are too young.

stretch streth and stretch is the only thing IMO that has long term benefits, i believe the looser your adductors, glute muscles, hips, quads, lower back and hamstrings are the better you will be...the massage, needles, injections, supplements u take i ahve not seen long term benefits with however paying special attention to stretching, loosens the joint capsules especially in the hips and the tightness normally felt then enables the core strengthening to occur.... im at the stage now where for me there is no point stregtheing the core unless your body is feeling loose.

playing with it is a silly idea unless ur at the elite of the elite where daily injections are readily available to get through matches... the long term damages can be substantial but in the short term painless....ive gone from bordering an afl career to pretty much just wanting to be able to run around and play with my kids when i get older...ripe old age of 20 but its a debilitating condition so unless you have the condition, it is hard to really appreciate how hard it is for the rest of us!

wish u all the best in your recoveries

mel81

05-04-2007, 04:42 PM

also an extremly sharp stabbing pain in my pelvic region where its like i need to go to the number two but i dont if that makes sense?

Hey Steve.

I get that/used to get that pain with my OP!!! Your the only one who has ever had similar to my knowledge. I believe thats pelvic floor pain reffered pain mate, well thats what my physio tells me and its has greatly subsided after a intense program of pilates. My OP feels pretty good atm (touch wood), I am playing tommorrow after a year off after an adductor tentonmy and a year before that not ebing able to play wth OP. General soreness in operation area and DOMS are my biggest battles at the minute. All is lookiong good for tommorrow. Gary also gave me a truck load of help too, just in keeping everything loose and energised. Between him and my phyusio I am sorted.

One other thing I have done on my recovery to sports is loose a shit load of weight, 14 odd kgs, lessen the load on the legs.

Keep at it mate. Your too young to stop playing footy, keep positive.

Cheers

Mel

Flash

05-04-2007, 06:53 PM

i've recently had to "retire" from afl after playing about 15 games in this time and enough is enough.

Steve what club did you play for in the afl? Any way cheers for the advice, I cant quiet say i know what your going through with the fact having to retire from AFL and having it for 5 years, but having it for 10 months is long enough for me and has taken its toll as i has asperations to play state footy.

As this a stress fracture (sort of) would calcium supplements have any benifet?

Cheers

Flash

Steve020

07-04-2007, 12:25 AM

Mel, am interested to know about the adductor tentonmy..... i've discussed it with various people and have had conflicting views on it. It doesn't necessarily work on everyone is that right? recovery period as well, how has that been for u, what does it involve?

I understand where your coming from with the DOMS, on the rariety i trained or pulled on the jumper, coming out after half time or extended break, the legs just dont move. 1st qrt felt ok but coming out after qrt time break ud begin to really struggle and after the halfa it was game over, hope the game went well over the weekend, would be interested to know how u pulled up if its your first competitive match back

Flash, im not sure about the calcium supplements, havent tried them myself, i mean i guess theres no harm in giving them a crack. i used a fibroplex plus magnesium supp to prevent the muscles cramps and spasms and to prevent the joints tightening up and also cartrin a concentrated liquid cartilage which was meant to assist the rebuilding of damaged cartilage in the areas... For me personally i doubted there worth but i guess its worth a try! sorry mate didnt mean to sound like i was an afl superstar, when i said afl player i was referring to afl instead of the other codes soccer and rugby.

Paulie

07-04-2007, 06:51 PM

Steve: In my opinion Pat and Garry are the best people going around. U just got to give it time. I haven't done anything for 2 years since I got OP. I dont expect myself to get better for about 6 months. Its all about time. But Garry is the miracle man.. At least he got in condition to have sex again without any pain ..

Dulz09

10-04-2007, 02:41 PM

Where is this Pat Allen guy & whats his contact details?????????
anyone know?????????

mel81

11-04-2007, 02:59 PM

Steve personally, like I told Vitt. I would be very cautious about geting a tentonmy because:
a) that might not be the cause of your problems
b) You should exhaust all other options before getting cut open, inc seeing Garry and a good physio/devoting yourself to a rehab program.

In terms of recovery, they say it can take as little as 6 weeks (M.Voss did it in 4 apparently). Mine personally felt good as after about 2.5 months (it is very painful post operation for about 14 days), however when it came to "playing" I was not conditioned enough to withstand changing direction when fatigued and the operation site/scar tissue caused me complications and I didnt play at all last year. I believe scar tissue was half my problem and geting strenth back nit he adductors after the op, however the program I was given wasnt sufficent.

You need a good physio. But go see Garry before even considering an op, I wish I had of earlier. He massage helps a lot is working out the tightness ect.

With the game Played not too bad on the weekend considering, was on the ball changing on a flank in the ressies, played 3 1/2 quarters. It was first real game, but had gradully built up to that after 4 pre season games of just playing a second half, then three quarters and then going from there, learnt that from the year before. It was great to be out there after 3 years! There is no quick fix, be patient and get good people to assist you.

Feeling better each training, but conditioning is what I need now and to manage myself so I can have total confidence in the body again. Touch wood its going ok.

Hope that helps mate.

Mel

Ben Read

11-04-2007, 04:20 PM

Hiya guys,

Hiya guys, i posted this is the OP thread but thought i would post it here aswell..
Can everyone who is living in the UK and suffering from OP of any discription and for any length of time please write there name here..
Together with Rosco we have learnt that there is a chance that we can experience the miracle worker that is Gary Miritus's treatment IN London. He had mentioned that he may be willing to make a passing visit to London to treat a few of us as long as he can get up to 10 clients together to make it worth while. Having spoken to a few ppl who have been treated by Gary i think this is a chance us UK based OP sufferers cant miss. Anyone who is living in the UK and would be willing to travel to London to get treated by Gary if he was to make the trip.. please leave your name here..

I'll start it.....please follow my lead. Its worth a try guys.
Best wishes.
(if you want to contact me direct i check my personal email address daily benread11@yahoo.co.uk)

Ben Read - SW London - OP sufferer for 18 months.

Cannavaro

13-04-2007, 02:32 PM

Dulz09

13-04-2007, 04:41 PM

That Garry Miritis is a genius, i went and seen him this morning in regards to mild OP/ very tight aductors. I was at about 50% before i jumped on his table and when i jumped off i instantly without no joke felt 95% better. Its amazing with the technique he uses helps straight away without fail. Ive been suffering from Groin problems since my soccer pre-season in dec 2006. Spent about $600 on pretty much rubbish advise from physio's, the $50 Garry charged me today was the best $50 i spent in a long time. I recommend him to anyone suffering from OP/Groin aductor problems. He was totally honest with me today!!!! he said "mate i dont want to see u here again so hopefully we can fix the problem today" those were his exact words. Not like those physio who just want our money to survive.

Anyway thats enough talking for me go and see Garry asap.
All the best to you's out there. Cheers

Dulie

Flash

14-04-2007, 04:20 PM

Flash

21-04-2007, 05:02 PM

Ok after all the talks on this website, and how much i want my OP to be gone after coming up to 11 months now, I am really considering going to see the mericle man Garry Miritis in melbourne.

Can some one post all the details as im not from Victoria??, but im still weighing up my options. The cortsone injection helped some what, only feeling about 10 - 15% better.

Fab where abouts in perth is the deep massage place you suggested earlier as i believe this could help?

Cheers

Flash

Francine

21-04-2007, 05:45 PM

Go to www.miritismassage.com
Should have all the info you need :)

Cannavaro

23-04-2007, 10:58 AM

Cottesloe Sports Massage in Cottesloe

Ph: 9385 5887

Get them to focus on your legs and adductors.

kieramac

01-05-2007, 03:47 PM

Hi Everyone. I'm just making a trek back here yet again to plug Garry Miritis and encourage all of you to go and see him. I had OP for 5 months last year and had had enough. I sucked it up and found a way to Australia from Canada to take a risk, based on what I read on this message board, to go and see him. 2 visits/$100 and I was better. I have a friend who had OP before I did, and 5 months after I am better, she is still going through slow rehab with an uncertain future. I have been training with our national soccer team almost every day, sometimes twice a day since January and haven't had one instance of reoccurence. I am so so grateful for him, because I know I would still be toiling in the misery of OP had I not taken such drastic action. Spend the best money of your life, go and see him!

Flash

03-05-2007, 08:18 PM

As you saw him twice what did you do for accomodation? how long did you stay in melbourne for? how long were you there for? week, 2weeks?

How is the bookings does it get booked out easily?

kieramac

05-05-2007, 03:41 PM

i had friends in melbourne that i crashed with--i was better after 2 treatments, about 10 days apart--i am sure you could get in if you booked in advance. i got in the same week i booked. honestly flash, give it a try. i was telling my story to a friend tonight and how it was the best decision of my life...take the risk and go for it. you won't be disappointed.

deegee

06-05-2007, 09:04 PM

Not sure whether what injury i have is OP or something else... but since the soccer season started (3 weeks ago) we played on a particular hard surface and my groins felt pretty bad afterwards, rather painful when stretching, didnt feel muscular so couldnt really do much about it with extra stretching. but its progressively gotten worse each week and after yesterdays game the discomfort is quite bad now, tried jogging to the car earlier and all i can feel is pain (not bad though) radiating through the lower ab area, like right inside. had similar type of problem 2 years ago but never felt as bad as it does now. not sure what my plan of action should be.

Cannavaro

07-05-2007, 10:26 AM

Sounds familiar, it could be a very light strain which has gotten worse but it might also be tight adductors if you have pain in the lower abs.

I would suggest you skip a training session this week and get a good rub down instead, loosen up the entire groin area or else things will just get worse.

deegee

08-05-2007, 08:19 AM

Would anti-inflammatory's and/or pain killers help with the pain and get me back on the park for this weekends game? Coz I tried running across the road to make the lights and it was very uncomfortable.

Cannavaro

08-05-2007, 02:23 PM

I know the situation that you're in...I'm the same in that I want to play every game that I can.

If running across the road is sore then how will you be when chasing down a player or putting in a strong challenge?

I'm against pain killers etc this early in the season. But with only 3 games in it is worth missing out a game to allow the muscles to heal. At least take a session off this week, give it a few days...if it still hurts on thursday then miss the weekend.

deegee

08-05-2007, 03:13 PM

Cheers Cannavaro, although at the moment I have no choice but to sit out... it's just a pain coz i've worked my butt off to get fit and get in the starting 11, especially with the high quality squad we have this season... don't want to lose my place, especially since i have been playing well too.
Does bike riding aggravate this injury or is it ok to ride my bike.

Flash

08-05-2007, 09:47 PM

Fabio you seem the man for this question

I am be umpiring junior footy this week, so manly jogging at 50%

If I came back with pain I just wanted to comfirm should i ice the injury where ever i am sore?

And If i came back with minor sorness to none Should i just leave it alone take some into- inflammitries? (i just read ya post how your againist them tho ;) )

Cheers Flash

Cannavaro

09-05-2007, 02:58 PM

Degree, I have been through the same thing in losing my first 11 spot with injuries. I am now going through the motions with the reserves getting my confidence back after a hamstring strain. What's worse is that you have a good pre-season then once the season starts this comes around.

Flash, ice is your best friend for the groin if you feel pain after activity....even a little bit of pain then use ice, no pain then nothing at all.

deegee

09-05-2007, 03:26 PM

Well Cannavaro, still bugger all improvement since sunday, think it's time i saw a physio and try find out exactly what the problem is. Will wait till tomorrow morning and see if i can jog across the road without pain hehe.

Flash

10-05-2007, 04:33 PM

For a Deep Tissue Massage, do they use a different type of cream, or is it just deep heat, but they use different techniques to get it into the deep layer of muscle?

Flash

14-05-2007, 10:51 PM

Does Magnesium Orotate help prevent tight muscles?

Would this help the tightness of muscles long term become more loose??

Cheers

falcons.soccer

16-06-2007, 03:44 PM

hey..
i added a post on the OP thred a lonnngg time ago about my injury but i never thought to check back on the site more often. So now months later im back :P. I have had OP for 16 months with no treatment thats really working. I recently had a MRI confirming the fact that i have definite signs of chronic OP. Im not really sure where to go from here. I am thinking about possibly looking into the surgery options if thats what i have to do.

Flash

17-06-2007, 05:16 PM

if ur in Melbourne or near by, go see gary

refer to other posts on my info about him, dont get operation.

mstegner

24-10-2007, 04:52 AM

Hey Cannavaro ,

I am from the US and have been diagnosed with mild OP. This is a result of running (competitively). Following your posts I feel my current condition is most closely compared to yours. I have done cortizone, rest, prolotherapy, physical therapy, core stability and little help. Since massage therapists here in New York have never heard of this condition can you explain what and where the massage involves and what routine has worked best for you? ANYTHING WOULD HELP!!...Thanks so much

Matt
(Buffalo, NY, USA)

Kerryman

17-11-2007, 03:22 AM

Do you get pain if you are standing (or sitting) for long time e.g. in a pub, at a concert, or sitting at work? The reason I ask is that I do and I wanted to know if this was a common symptom or just a side effect of my physio.

Yeah you are not the only one. I was diagnosed with Ostietis Pubis by D. Pat O Neill in Dublin after an MRI two years ago and I get pain when standing (or sitting) for long time. Its a Balls!

Flash

13-04-2008, 11:35 PM

thought id re-open this thread again as there are different types of ostietis pubis but all cause the same pain

Cannavaro

14-04-2008, 12:18 PM

How is everyone getting on?

I can happily say that my groin pain has totally gone. Occasionally due to my tight groins I do feel some discomfort after games but some ice and light stretching helps that.

Remember this thread focuses on Football and sports OP which only really affect kicking etc.

Rest, Massage, Ice and light stretching are your friends.

Flash

15-04-2008, 12:05 AM

cannavaro i was wondering when you where gonna come back>? good to see your all better mate. did u just continue with your core strength, streching and massages with the conditioning of slowing returning to sport is that what got you through?

dgburke

16-04-2008, 12:03 AM

Hi to all. I felt that I owed it to the folks who post regularly on this forum to post something re my injury/rehab with OP. I picked it up through repetitive strain associated with playing soccer. Thought it was just groin injury - eventually was diagnosed by a phsio - that was 7 months ago. In my frustration/confusion I searched the web and came across this site. I tried to distill all the info that was up on this site (and other sites where doctors have posted rehab programs)into a set of steps for me to take. Some people's symptoms sounded like an exact match to mine - mild OP, feel it high up in the groins, tight glutes, pain to days after any running/kicking, discomfort in bed etc. Didnt have lots of PAIN per se just more constant discomfort. Firstly went down the rest followed plates route - not a lot of joy there (I think thats more a long term strengthening that will help ward off relapse than a "fix" in itself). Physio I found no use. I did however get some relief from deep stretching of adductors etc.
4 months in - no real change I decided to try deep tissue massage and myofascial release sessions. This involved me being on the end of Old Testament pain - literally screaming. The masseuse did lots of work on adductors starting very low down near the knee and working it (over the course of 3 sessions) up and up to pretty high up near 'the crease' -i.e. you need a therapist who aint afraid to 'get in there'. This treatment got to 90% - so then I could go back to informal 5-a-sides - but certainly not full contact games with my team. For that last 10% Ive gone to 3 sessions with an osteopath - today being my last. He is confident that I should have no further problems as he hand manipulated my hip joints to a more stable set-up. Right now I feel like Im at 97%. I went training with my team last week and no zero pain while playing with only minor discomfort the next day. Just thought Id share this. For me its been (1) Deep Massage/Myofascial Release (2) Osteopathy and (3) Good series of regular adductor/glutes/etc. stretches. I live in Dublin. If anyone wants any recommendations re the therapists I saw then please let me know.
Dave

Cannavaro

16-04-2008, 10:44 AM

Awesome stuff dgburke.

Good to see that you're backon the field playing.

Flash, yeah I played most of last season (would have been a full season if it wasnt for a hamy strain) and this season so far all good. I still feel a bit tight in the adductors especially after a tough session but that could just be the age factor.

All that I have really changed is my stretching technique, making sure I cover the ever important groins, glutes and hip flexors. As for strengthening its more or less been alot of situps and crunches and also toning the glutes to take the stress off my hamys.

Flash

16-04-2008, 11:53 PM

cheers for sharing you story dgburke. i might go see an Osteopathy, might give ti a go.

so your doing situps now cannavaro? did you get the all clear from a doc to start playing sport and going crunches or you just have to know when the time is right? Im hoping i can get back into my club training in july as its been 22 months now. where were you at 22months? My only problem now is the deep deep left pubic symphysis pain. The right side has cleared up i believe after a cocortisteriod injection in the pubic symphysis. Doc has recommended i get a bone scrap but still unsure wheather i want to go through with it. Great news to see you get over osteitis with out surgery connavaro and dgburke.

dgburke

17-04-2008, 06:30 AM

cheers dudes. Understand the frustration as only a sufferer can. I think Im almost smack on the same in terms of symptoms/arc as cannavaro. Now I do feel a little residual something after footie (soccer) training - its the kicking of course. Like him I do adductors, flexors and glutes deep stretching and this helps muchos. The osteopath was very matter of fact when he told me that OP is biometric disfunction - i.e. can be resolved by manipulation i.e. he literally pulls what seem like wrestling moves on you and you hear a click as he adjusts your pelvic 'set-up'. Im gonna be careful from now on. Im 33 and will need yoga/stretching/pilates if Im going to have a chance to continue without injury again. For now - Im tentatively optimistic

Cannavaro

17-04-2008, 05:27 PM

Flash,

Yes, I can do situps and any type of exercise fine.

The last doc I saw was in February 2007 and that was to get a cortisone shot in the pubis.

I did my initial injury August 2005, Back to Soccer March 2007. So at 22 months I was playing again pain free. However everyone is different. Again, the most relief I got was from the deep tissue massages on my adductors.

Fab

Flash

26-04-2008, 11:58 AM

Cannavaro i know your not a doctor, but what do you think about "the leg magic" as a form of exercise for strengthing the abs, glutes, adductors, hips and groin for osteitis. Do you think it could help or could put to must pressure on these muscles?

Cannavaro

28-04-2008, 10:28 AM

I think any form of exercise in this case is beneficial as long as you dont force yourself too much. Especially as that machine focuses on the groins just be careful not to overstretch. Maybe do some research on the web as to what others think of that machine first.

Paul C

01-05-2008, 06:26 PM

Hi fellahs, hey Flash.

I've had osteitis pubis for almost 15 years. Got it when 17 playing soccer, now 32. Have had three operations, one for hernia, two debridements of the pubic joint. I'm still in a lot of discomfort.

I've posted on another thread with Flash but didn't know about this one.

Just thought I'd say goodday, sounds like everyone's working hard..u sound diligent Cannavaro, sounds like you've worked very hard to get back. Congratulations :)

Paul

Flash

02-05-2008, 01:41 AM

welcome aboard to this thread paul, you and connavaro sort of have something in common both getting it from soccer.

paul i think you have told me u played with it on a number of times, how were you feeling after the season after playing with osteitis? Paul how would you rate is your core strength atm? have you gotten to the stage where u started on situp/crunches? how did you go?

and

Fab i was wondering when did you feel was the right time to start doing situps to strengthen your core. did you have doctor or physio advice or did you just go for it and hope for the best to see if it would get better? i feel just doing the core isnt as effective as doing situps. ive got a ub king pro i have been waiting to use seen i got this condition.

i feel im almost there but not sure, how were you feeling when u started doing crunches still a little sore? did you pull up ok after the first session?

Paul C

02-05-2008, 10:49 AM

Hey flash,

I first did mine when I was 17. Then I kept playing semi professional soccer on and off for the next four years even though I was in a great deal of pain. I said on the other thread that people like John Kosmina and the Aus socceroo doctor told me to keep on playing. And I was desperate to keep playing so I did. It was the worst thing I could have done! Every year something new would go wrong, I'd feel an extra pain, like a tendon tear type pain, then some lower back pain and so on until when I was 22 I hobbled off the field unable to walk and haven't played since. So worst thing you can do in my view is play when its causing you pain. Like Fabio said somewhere, the pain means somethings wrong. From reading his posts sounds like he had a good approach, took his time, tried to increase exercises, and slowly built up. But you didn't push yourself too far right Fab?

Re stomach crunches, ab works, mine wasn't feeling too bad about 18 months ago, was able to ride bike at the gym, do some weights, swim. But when I added in ab work it went to shit. I'd already had two operations by then and years of playing with pain so my situation is prob different to yours but I'd be very careful about adding in ab work.

My core is really weak, crazy weak. But I can't strengthen it. Because muscles allover my body, adductors, psoas, back etc lock up when I try and the pain, structure of the bone after the ops seems to make it v difficult to isolate the deep muscles and switch off the others. And this is even with very simple work like like on your back, switching on your transversus/multifundus and rolling the knee out to the side. Even just sitting on the couch, standing or walking my muscles lock up everywhere, gives me headaches, constant discomfort/tension throughout, hard to concentrate.

Anyone had the adductor tendinopathy here? I saw that Mel and a few others had it. How did you find that? Flash that's the other op I was talking about, some say debridement some say adductor operation. But if people like Fab and others can make it back without op, be patient and keep trying that.

good luck mate.

paul

Flash

02-05-2008, 09:07 PM

thanks for your advice Paul, so what are you doing now ? (in terms of attempting to get better? should go see garry or pat allan a visit. If your in the area. its wouldnt hurt to give it a try.

kjwilkin

02-05-2008, 09:17 PM

Have you thought about clinical pilates ? It is a great way to build up your strength again.

Flash

02-05-2008, 11:49 PM

yeh mate im on pilates now as a form of physio. what do you mean "clinical"

Paul C

03-05-2008, 05:40 PM

yeah I'm gonna give Gary a try, hoping to fly down to melbourne in a few weeks time.

Flash

03-05-2008, 07:43 PM

let us know how you go, as i may give it a go,

Flash

03-05-2008, 10:10 PM

Hey guys i found this website about 3 months into my osteitis and i was silly enough to do some of the exersices, when i should of been resting. It made the pain alot worse I have dis-regarded the site until to i though about it today. 23 months now and i feel i could do most of those activities with out pain. (might give some a try this week)

What do you think about these activities? could help the condition or make it worse?

http://home.neb.rr.com/tdufres/pubdoc.html

Cheers

flash

Cannavaro

05-05-2008, 01:29 PM

Hi Guys,

Paul C, with John Kosmina being the hard coach as he is today i'm not surprised that he would have said that.

Again pain = problem. I also had hamstring pain last year for a ocuple of weeks, continued to train not thinking it was much then 5 minutes into the first game it tore.

Flash, if doing these exercises cause you considerable pain then stop because it will not help your recovery. from the sounds of things you are still trying to find that quick fix to get you back to near 100%. Problem is there is no such thing. Muscle conditioning will benefit you more which is basically returning slowly to sport but don't do anything that causes you pain. have you been training ok?

Again i'm no expert so I am just stating things that I have done to get playing again. Massage was what I found to work the best, I remember the masseuse ripping into my adductors high up and almost instantly after the session the pain I had felt when twisting my leg was gone.

Every now and then I do feel the pulling of the adductor in my pubis but its usually after a tough session or game.

Flash

05-05-2008, 04:36 PM

im doing a little bit of conditioning training, haven't started kicking, may join my club in june. Still getting an appointment in june with the sports doc to see if he thinks im ok. His sort of keen on a op, where as i am not.

kjwilkin

05-05-2008, 07:45 PM

Clinical pilates is where you get assessed by a physio and a program is developed based on your own needs. For example, I have bad knees due to patella instability. A lot of my strengthening focuses on my hips, quads and glutes as they are all really important for patella instability.

There are some very good sports physicians in Melbourne that specialise in OP type problems. Let me know if you want their details.

Flash

05-05-2008, 10:49 PM

yeh i spose i sort of have done clinical pilates, i use to go to a physio for a couple of months and she assessed what i would need for this type of injury. She photocopied all of the exercices in detail and said " you can do all of these on your own now at home" so i have been incorporating those exersices with other with my stretching and conditioning.

Is that what you meant by clinical pilates?

Paul C

06-05-2008, 04:19 PM

Flash if you can do most of the exercises on that website you referred to then keep working at it slowly, don't have an op. The two debridements I've had now have resulted in sacro iliac joints being unstable which is even more restrictive/uncomfortable than pubic pain in my experience!

Sounds like you've improved heaps, keep following Cannavaros advice, work at it slowly. You're already improving, even if it takes you another two years to get back to sport you'll still be young and less likely to set yourself back. That the would be the worst thing right.

kjwilkin

06-05-2008, 08:09 PM

Hi Flash,

You need to continue doing pilates, not just at home. You need to do at least once a week, if not twice. It won't be that beneficial if you don't.

I go to a place in Melbourne where my classes are run by physios and only have 3 in the class. I go 1-2 times a week. The one I go to uses the trap table, reformers and mats.

Flash

06-05-2008, 08:32 PM

cheers paul, im only doning some, not many

Kjwilkin i try to do my program three times a week, sometimes only 2 tho

Yeh i might got back to the physio to see if she thinks i have progressed

Paul C

08-05-2008, 02:31 PM

Hi folks,

Does anyone know of any good massage therapists in Sydney? I'm gonna go see Gary in a week or so but would be good to have someone in Sydney who could work on me.

Cheers
Paul

kjwilkin

09-05-2008, 07:33 PM

Hi Flash,

It is important not just to do the program at home, but do it formally to make sure you are doing the exercises properly. You obviously have been ill-advised on this. Even pilates instructors do regular classes to ensure they have the right techniques.

Maybe you need to find another physio that does pilates. Check out the website for the Australian Pilates Method. You should be able to find a good pilates instructor.

Good luck !!!

Flash

10-05-2008, 11:06 AM

thanks for the info kjwilkin, just got the new yellow pages last night and found a clinical pilates clinic, within reach. might give them a call.

Flash

10-05-2008, 03:00 PM

hey paul and fav, i was wondering how you both started kicking again after gettign over osteitis? i know you both come from a soccer background, but AFL kicking shouldnt reallt eb too different. My pain is usually just on the left now, and im a right footer. should i start kicking very gentley 5 - 10 m just on the right? or should i kick on the left as well and see how it reacts?

And feedback on have on how you both found the best was to start kicking again with osteitis would be much appreciated.

Cheers flash

Cannavaro

12-05-2008, 12:14 PM

I just started slowly with a few sessions and doing the simple things. I could also pass short but it was the long balls or a shot on goal that made me cringe.

If you can kick short without pain then increase slowly until you feel the pain, then back down.

I found this video on youtube regarding self adductor release for those with tight adductors. I'm going to give it a shot in the next couple of days once I go past rebel sports to buy the foam roller... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axKxqjfTmpU

Paul C

12-05-2008, 12:40 PM

Interesting video...let us know if it helps fav.

flash i can't help you there mate, i haven't been able to kick since injured. fav's advice sounds sensible.

i went to the osteo today, did some work on my back and also some deep massage around the waste/pelvis which freed things up a bit. on my way to see gary next monday so i'll let you know how it goes.

paul

Flash

12-05-2008, 01:58 PM

yeh not a bad video let us know how you go fav, might start 10m kicks soon

you to paul as i may consider traveling to melbourne as well.

Flash

14-05-2008, 09:32 PM

Fab i know this may be a difficult question to ask as your no longer a youth, but after having OP have you noticed your pace (Agility) and fitness (endurance) has taken a beating due to this injury??? as these were the two main attributes to my game which made me competitive?

Paul you can answer me too? once you got it at 17 over 2 or 3 years did you noticed a change in your speed and fitness??

Cheers

Flash

Paul C

15-05-2008, 09:56 AM

Yeah Flash, it affected my pace, my ability to turn quickly and i was playing soccer so it really affected my strength, eg ability to brace my self firmly on one leg while kicking with the other.

how's your recovery going? have you tried kicking yet?

Flash

15-05-2008, 07:01 PM

steady recovery, not started kicking yet, considering starting kicking with an auskick footy (designed for 5 - 8 yr olds)

Cannavaro

20-05-2008, 05:12 PM

Flash,

It's not so much my speed that has dropped it is more my mind limiting me from reaching top speed out of fear of hurting my groin again or pulling another hamstring.

I have always been a fast runner, initially coming back to soccer my pace was reduced as a prevention, I have gotten past the fear though and my pace seems to be near 100% again.

Age is always a problem though hehe

Fab

Flash

20-05-2008, 06:21 PM

thanks for the advice Fab

Flash

10-06-2008, 05:25 PM

Fab hows your progress going?, no signs of any reoccurance?
Have you been continuing any physio/ getting massages for your adductors still?

ps. Are you a fan of Fabio Cannavaro? Italian soccer Captain

Cheers

Flash

cleo

12-06-2008, 11:11 AM

Hi, i've had op for 3 years. It came on gradually. I continued with my daily activity which included walking 8 miles a day. I also enjoyed playing soccer and basketball with my son.
I also played tennis and took long hikes. Last year I had to quit working. I walked in sever pain at work for 2 years. The doctors didn't know what my condition was so i just kept going. Now I can't even walk through the grocery store. I had physical therapy, pain injections, pubic symphysis fusion, and prolotherapy. Now they want to do a periferal nerve stimilator. I am scared and don't want to be a freak. Any ideas. To anybody else out there with op I would just say rest, because i pushed myself and now I can't walk far or sit up because of the hardware that I have. There was a girl on here the other day who said her op was misdiagonosed and she really had a hernia. I had a hernia repair that did not help my pain. Now i'm wondering if the hernia didn't cause my op. I had the hernia a year before my pain started to come on gradually. Let me know.

Paul C

12-06-2008, 11:25 AM

Gee Cleo, that sounds bad. What operations have you had? You said you've had a fusion, is that right? and you've also had hernia repairs? What did they involve?

And what does this nerve thing involve?

Paul

Cedric

16-06-2008, 08:46 PM

G'day everyone,

My name is Cedric and im a rugby union player up here in Edinburgh who has had Osteitis for about a year now. I stupidly played through the pain for a whole season after I had brought the pain down to a "manageable" level and was diagnosed with "radiologically striking" OP in March this year. I have seen loads of physios and heard all sorts of things from various physicians but none have helped (this includes complete rest, core stability programs etc.). All that they have done is confuse me and turn me into a bit of mess as I am pretty scared and feel very lost!

It was a great comfort to find this site and read through the posts on this forum as it made me realise I was not alone and that there are people out there that do care about this disease. I would like to wish everyone a speedy recovery and a rapid return back to doing what you love; be it playing footy or being able to walk and run with your kids without pain.

Following advice from Paul Barrett I am going to drive down and see a GB physio called Alison Rose in Leeds, apparently she follows a similar treatment style to Garry Miritis and I hope she can get me right for the start of the season and finally put me on the right track! Has anyone else been to see her yet?

I also emailed Garry a couple of days ago and he said he would be happy to come to the UK and treat people provided there are a minimum of 10 people signed up for it. I would like to put my hand up and offer to organise this. If you live in the UK and would be interested please email me at cedricunholz@hotmail.com so that we can get 10 people together ASAP!

Cedric

16-06-2008, 08:47 PM

I forgot to say:

The Self-Myofascial release techniques highlighted earlier on in this forum (the youtube video with the foam rollers) seem to have helped me immensely: I was mostly pain-free after one 30 minute session where I performed SMR on my adductors, back, glutes, quads and IT band (follow the youtube videos for correct technique) and did some light (70%) stretching.

I guess this makes sense as this is self-administered deep tissue massage, which is what people like Garry Miritis perform (albeit im sure to a different, more intense level).

Thought this might be of help for some of you in order to loosen up these seemingly critical areas and hopefully roll away some of the pain.

Flash

16-06-2008, 09:47 PM

Hey mate welcome to the forums, im not sure how old you are but i got this condition at a young age so have others on this forum, playing footy AFL. Its good that theres a similar treatment in GB so differently try that out. I can remember that people were organising to get Garry to the UK before on this forum, but im not sure what the outcome was.

keep trying and asking people to go and see him, people from this site who are in the UK, maybe even some of your team mates who have sport related injuries can help. He does alot more than Osteitis Ive herd, but he specialises in this injury. Im going to finally go see him in just over a week so im wondering how it will go.

Stay on board the forum mate, ask questions, read previous posts to get an idea of various treatments. Oosteitis takes a long time to recover from ive had it for just over 2 years now and the worst thing is that im only 19.

All the best

Flash

Cedric

17-06-2008, 04:13 AM

Hi Flash,

Im 22 so can definitely appreciate how you must be feeling. I play first grade over here and this lay-off has been absolutely soul destroying: stress, anxiety, depression, insecurity, the works!

Im under the impression that OP can take a long time to recover from if treated incorrectly...but if treated correctly (Garry's methods etc.) apparently it is more a case of a few months? I mean the science behind it is that it is an inflammation...so surely if the inflaming entities (such as tight muscles, "blockage" of the general system, pull/pressure on the pubic symphasis etc.) are removed/relieved then surely regeneration could occur pretty quickly....or at least to a level where work can be done on the area to strengthen it

Paul C

17-06-2008, 11:20 AM

Welcome aboard Cedric, good luck in Leeds!

Flash what day you going to see Gary, I'm going to be down there on Monday next week probably. good luck too.

Paul

Flash

17-06-2008, 12:01 PM

are you having a 3rd treatment? let us know how it goes, mines on a Wednesday

evertonian

17-07-2008, 07:25 PM

hey guys,
Some great info on here and I really feel for everyone suffering from OP as well.
I have had it for about a year after playing football (soccer) through a groin injury and having to cease all activity including changing jobs due to OP
I have tried a doctor whom recommended Prolotherapy, I was very sceptical and opted out of that one, anyone have any results on this method?
I have tried some physiotherapy but the excercises didnt really seem to target the areas that I thought would benefit this injury, I didnt really have much faith that my physio knew too much about OP

So I am just looking for a new starting point to try to find a new physio or anyone I could see who knows about a good rehab program 4 OP, I am in Perth Western Australia.

Any info on a person experienced in the treatment of OP and preferably in Perth Western Australia, would be much appreciated.

Regards
Frustrated

evertonian

18-07-2008, 04:59 PM

Paul C

18-07-2008, 05:00 PM

Evertonian, Flash is your man, he's in WA as well and has been battling OP for a couple of years.

You have any suggestions of people over there Flash?

Flash

18-07-2008, 10:35 PM

yes Cedric it sucks, lol where are you from anyway australia? how long have you had the condition for. My injury has improved about 75% after seeing gary in melbourne so i feel alot better. how are you going?

evertonian welcome to the forums buddy, im from country WA down bunbury way. If you were really considering getting fixed then perhaps should consider flying to Melbourne to see Gary at Miritis Massage. After having it for just over 2 years went to see gary and im now running 15 mins heading towards 20 mins no-stop with no pain after activity and no pain the next day. even started some small kicked of the football(AFL) Sometimes get only very minorpain but goes away.

What problems have you got? is it mainly the pubic symphysis or muscle related as well, adductors hips ect.?

I know another bloke known as connarvo lives in perth and had this condition and went to see some massaging place in perth. they worked on his adductors ect and no his back playing soccer. ill try find the place for you in the forums or you can look it up in this forum somewhere. think he had about 5+ treatments and his all better now.

But if you got the cash about $450 all up for plane travel, transport and to see gary is on $65. id go there. if not try the massaging place in perth. i believe its the Australian association of massage therapists.

massaging is a good try, physio can only do so much.

all the best mate.

Paul how are you travelling along?

Cannavaro

20-07-2008, 11:57 PM

Hi all again, welcome evertonian...

Like Flash said im in Perth and was struck down with OP and Adductor pain in 2005. Missed out 2006 thinking rest would do me good which it didnt as when I returned in 2007 the pain was still there.

Tried it all, Cortisone shots, Physio, Pilates however I found the best relief with deep tissue sports massage (Which I now get done monthly...$70 for an hour session). They focus on my legs mainly which helps big time. it's all about getting the muscles loose and doing their job again. Got through 2007 playing ok and this year I am back to my best.

Lately when the groins have been tight I use for foam roller for about 20 mins, does the job real well. Worth the purchase guys.

Fab

evertonian

22-07-2008, 10:21 PM

Thanks guys for the reply's much appreciated.

Flash:::::::::
I dont seem to have any symphasis pain at all.
The only muscles which seem only 2 muscles which give me pain are the 2 just above the symphasis pubis to the left and right.
Using:
http://www.innerbody.com/image/musfov.html
they are in the region of the Inguinal Ligament but I am not too sure what muscle they are, any help identifying them and maybe why they would be sore every time I run would be great.

Cannavaro (Fab):::::::
Would I be able to get the name of that massage guy to see in Perth? I think I would really give this a go after being frustrated with physio rehab.
Good to here you are back playing again and good luck with your progress.

Regards

Flash

23-07-2008, 08:24 PM

above the pubis symphysis would be the abdominal muscles. are you sure theres no pain where that blue dot is in the middle or your two legs?

from what your describing it looks like the area of lower abdominal muscles, or where the adductor muscles connect to the abdominal.

could be an adductor tear, or adductor tendinitis. would be best to get an MRI on it. could be torn ligaments in that area

all the best

flash

Cannavaro

23-07-2008, 08:54 PM

How are you coming along flash? On par for a season 2009 returm?

Flash

23-07-2008, 09:32 PM

coming along steady, i still have my bad days, but thats usually only when i go out on weekends:D.

but if i keep them down, which i will, and keep my program up it should become better.

im just interested in what you do atm. you say you get a massage once a month. is that just your adductor muscles, or does it include your adductor joints, hips, lower abs, areas near the pubic symphysis?

cheers

flash

Paul how are you coming along mate? better than before?

Cannavaro

23-07-2008, 11:46 PM

That's right...

Basically all the major leg muscles, Calves, Hamstrings, Glutes, Quads, Illiotal Band (however you spell it), Adductors and lower back.

Plus I use the foam roller on my adductors before training sessions to loosen them up. I do all of this really to prevent any further injuries with the groin and hamstrings.

You taking any anti-immflamatories like Advil or something? What about icing the region after exercise?

Flash

24-07-2008, 09:41 PM

sounds good

anti's rarely on on very bad cases, or when i injured another muscle like the knee ect.
Ice probably 25% of the time after exercise but only for likr 5 - 10 mins.

its all good and remains good as long as i do all the right things and stay away from teh bad things.

Paul C

25-07-2008, 11:45 AM

IT takes alot of effort doesn't it!!

I'm still struggling. I've taken a few months off work to try to get it under control and have a good go at physio, core rehab. I started on Monday, just with simple practice switching off the wrong muscles (like butt, abs, psoas) and switching on the core while standing sitting etc. I got it going ok and it really released some of the muscle tension ive been complaining about for a long time. On Wednesday i did a bit more work with the physio, just keeping that posture while doing some half squats and later that arvo it started to get sore and has been ever since. It's like as soon as the muscle tension switches off, the pain in the pubic joint switches on, like those muscles are all locking in to protect it. So since Wednesday I haven't been able to keep doing those simple posture things, half squats cos its too sore.

I don't really take anti-inflammatories because I took them for ages in my mid 20s and my stomach got sore. I might try some mobic which I've been told by docs is not too bad on the stomach. Also might try some ice. Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Flash

27-07-2008, 11:42 AM

i was taking brofen but ive run out now. mobic is a good anti-inflammatory for the muscles and pain, as i was taking that when i fractured my ribs 2 months before i started getting osteitis. not sure how it will go on the pubic symphysis though.

in bad cases in form of pain i will ice but not for long only about 6 -7 mins. and take probably 6 fish oil tablets a day (make sure they have anti-inflammatory) on the bottle which i will really helps with the pain and swelling.has anyone else tried these and had any success?

But not in bad cases which is more often, ill probably take 2 and thats usually after exercise.

all the best with the core strenghening stabilising. strenghening mine is an issue as well as i cant do sit-ups,been told not to use the swiss ball, i some times do about 10 crunches once im all warmed up and im not sure wheather it is making the problem better or worse at this stage.

all the best paul

cheers flash

Flash

23-12-2008, 04:40 PM

i thought i'd reopen this thread agan as it does have a great deal of info from other with Sporting OP. Connavaro is one member who has had success with treating OP with no Operation, and just general massaging to the area with a couple of injections

ye dawg

02-01-2009, 01:05 PM

hey guys yeah im a new member. posted on the other OP forum but hasn't showed up yet. decent post too aha
so yeah after reading the posts im guessing massage is a great help to OP. I understand Miritis is a good masseuse but does live in melbourne :S. bit of a trek from W.A. So i guess Cannarvo, i understand you went to see Cottesloe Sports Massage? How was that?
Also, those foam rollers, where could I get them from and is it worth it?
Cheers in advance and good luck to all who are suffering from this frustrating condition.

Flash

03-01-2009, 02:16 PM

Hey Ye Dowg

good to see another WA member signing up. If its footy/sport related i would try to stick to this thread. Sorry to ask you as i believe you already did it before and the post didnt come up but would you like to give us a bit of a story about yourself and how it happened? eg what sport/ age where the pain is ect. Fab hasn't been on in a while but if you read most of his previous post it did work for him, however he did have 2 injections as well with the massaging.

I assume you have been to a SPORTS DOCTOR as its important to go see one and get a proper dignoses as it could be another groin related sports injury. MRI is best. Before getting anything done i would rest for at least 2 months, the doctor will tell you 3 but if you keen on a massage wait at least a month as the body has to heal the inflammed joint.

Massaging is good but try find someone who has knowledge of what thier doing in relation to the injury. All the best mate and i look forward in hearing more about your OP story

Cheers

Flash

ye dawg

03-01-2009, 02:45 PM

Yeah no worries, yeah its been diagnosed by a sports doc about 2 months ago. I had previously rested for 2 months beforehand so after i saw the doc went straight to physio and got a program to do. The doc was adamant it is OP so no real doubt about it.
The physio said its an overuse injury from AFL, which came about through tight hammys and quads, and a lack in core strength.
So yeah, atm Im doing the program, but looking for another aspect to add to help the injury heal faster. Massage I think is the go, however I would love to hear any suggestions or recommendations for a good sports masseuse who knows a bit about the condition.
Flash, did you see anyone in Perth or did you go to Melbourne to see Garry Mirits?
I know it sounds a bit extravagant to travel across the continent to see this one dude, but if hes the only real guy in the country then id have no qualms in doing it.
Cheers

Flash

03-01-2009, 08:46 PM

good to here about the rest, did you get an x-ray or MRI? i would of recommended it but if the doc reckons its OP then thats ok. I went to Melbourne because I had my osteitis for 2 years and i knew i needed to do something as it didnt only wreak my footy career but it also affected my lifestyle. I got mine at 17 and a bit years old playing senior footy (AFL) and still have a bit of it atm after 31 months along with a bit of shin splints and ITB symdrome as well i think as my left knee is stuffed, all these only injuries were caused by trying to get back into things too quickly.

I cant talk about the massaging place as i have no experience in going their. but from what i herd from fab (connavro) is that they do a good job if you tell them where you want to massage. As the physio said you would want teh massager to massage your quads, hammys, adductors (inner thighs) are the main areas and in some cases OP can effect the hips but im not sure in your situation

I dont want to make the OP get you down but in most cases you need more than physio to get rid of OP. So massaging is a good start, if you feel that isnt working or making it worse you may need an injection in the pubic symphysis. i go for my 2nd pubic symphysis on Monday and i had a left adductor shot as well when when i first got it.

All the best mate

Flash

ye dawg

04-01-2009, 12:08 PM

Nah i didnt get an xray or MRI, the doc was pretty certain.
Oh right, how many times did you visit Melbourne? Did it work?
Yes, I have gotten a massage before, she focussed on the adductors mainly which was painful as she said they were pretty tight.
Yeah I understand Id probably need more than physio, just looking at all the avenues possible. Just scouting around for a good sports masseuse aha.
Hopefully your still improving Flash, it takes a long time doesnt it !

Flash

04-01-2009, 03:17 PM

I visited Melbourne once and i did feel the difference. however im problem was i was a very keen footy, cricket player as well as a keen runner who would compete in city to surfs ect. so i gainned more injuries such as shin splints and i think i may have ITBS which affects the knee.

But Cottesole was the place fab went to and he believed that helped him so try them out a couple of times before considering any other options. it has taken me a while but im going to attempt to get back into sport come April or so.

all the best

Flash

TommyB

15-01-2009, 02:20 AM

Hi All,
Cheers Flash for giving me the heads up on the other thread. I've read both threads in detail but decided to comment on the other one for some reason. Flash am I right in thinking you have treatment from Garry Miritis Massage Therapy? How did this go? I'm interested in this type of rehab as I'm sceptical about injections etc.

Ye Dawg - How’s it going? Has the massage helped you a lot in relieving/curing OP? I'm lucky in the fact I’ve only just been diagnosed and if there is a time to pursue different rehab programs then that is now! Also before I forget did you suffer from tight abs, gluteus and hamstrings prior to the injury? I have always suffered from this and could be a major factor on putting more stress around the pubis. Judging by everyone's posts the programs that have the most success are;

Rest (Obviously)
Core Strengthening
Stretches (although I've read somewhere else this is forbidden?!)
Myofascial release/massage

Also I'm going to make a conscious effort not to over exercise on hard surfaces due to the impact. I suppose this may be a reason why OP is present a lot in AUS? Or am I just jumping the gun here.

It’s good to share all of this as at the moment when I tell my mates/manager I have OP it is instantly dismissed as something funny and probably made up!
Keep the faith
Tommy

Flash

15-01-2009, 11:56 PM

no worries tommy

Before i went to see garry, the best i could do was my physio exersices and 15 max on the bike and i would still pull up sore after the activity. The best run i did was 3 mins and i was in pain all the way.

In my personal experience i have been experiencing pain in my left adductor joint area the most. My first injection was in that area (left adductor) which worked well for the first 4 months then came back. the more expensive injections pubis symphysis injections i have had 2, 1 of then just 10 days ago i feel for me they were a waste of money as they dont take any pain away, unless your meant to get a massage afterwards or the pain starts to go away once you exercise again as your meant to rest for at least 12 days. so i will start walking and doing some core work in 2 days or so.

Garry got me running againat first some pain is present but afterwards thiers no pain during the activity. i got to where i had no groin pain while running and pulling up well afterwards. however i hadn't dont any sort of running/sport for 2 full years and i developed shin splints and ITBS in both which is ilitibal band syndrome which affects the knees. i got them on both sides. I mad the fatal mistake of increasing my intensity too quickly, as before i got OP i was a semi- serious runner where i would compete in local/state running events. Im going back in feb, and prob again in march is its not 100%, after reading that story from america or canada i feel that i can be cured and get back to the best of my ability.

I believe i got my groin pain back due to stopped running dur to the shin splints and ITBS and plus im a student-teacher training in the PE feild so i had to teach students and play sports not fully warming up my muscles prior to the lessons so that didnt help either

if your coming from UK book an hour session, i am going to the next time i go as im from WA which is about a 3 and half plane flight. i know it seems like nothing considering where your from but its more than enough for me

all the best mate

ye dawg

17-01-2009, 01:06 PM

Hey TommyB
Um yeah Ive had 3 massage sessions, an hour each time. She focusses on the lower back, glutes and adductors (quite painful as they are tight), and a bit on the hammys, quads and hip flexors. This massage is aimed at just relieving the tension in the muscles surrounding the groin and pubic symphisis area - i.e taking the strain off the actual PS.
It has helped to a degree. Either that or my core work is starting to kick in with results. It is definitely worth a try.
When I first went to see my physio he noticed i head v tight hammys and quads. (he got me lying on my back and just pushed my leg straight up into the air - was about 45 degrees) He didn't check my glutes because you shouldnt stretch them in the early stages.
So, I stretch 4 times a day, my hammys and quads and now my hammys can reach 90 - 95degrees when im cold so it is an improvement.
You may have read stretches are forbidden. Well, yes some stretches are. I try not to stretch my glutes or any stretch that involves my legs separating (lunges is an example) I do lightly, emphasis on the light part, stretch my adductors. Standing up, feet facing the same way and just slowly moving to one side.
So the rule is when stretching: keep your kness together! and youll be right (this reduces movement at the groin/hip, so all the movement is at the knee joint - this allows stretching of hammys and quads)
Yeah don't exercise on concrete or aths tracks. Don't run up hills or on a slope. Just flat straight line work. If that is fine, incorporate some light weaving into your runs.
That's possibly why its so prevalent in Aus, but its mainly because we play AFL which involves tackling, rapid direction changes at speed and high impact at high intensity.
Cheers

Flash

17-01-2009, 10:31 PM

hey ye dawg

i was just wondering how that 4 times a day stretching was going? do you pull up a bit sore sometimes? I also herd that stretching your muscles prior a descent warm-up an be bad for the muscles. so i was just wondering how your pulling up.

And what footy league did you play in?

ye dawg

20-01-2009, 11:31 AM

yeah its hard to keep it up but im seeing results.
nahh not really, they are just static stretches and not dynamic so they do not involve a lot of movement.
Possibly, sometimes I go for a walk before i stretch just to make it easier but I havent found to be sore from stretching.
I just played in a community footy league up in Perth, for the Joondalup Jets. Nothing too serious but i enjoy it.

ye dawg

02-02-2009, 10:22 PM

Hey Flash,

I understand you went to see Gary Miritis in Melbourne? I am considering doing the same thing after he's helped so many people with OP.

Just a few questions about it..
how much $$ did it cost for an hour session?
how long did you stay in Melbourne for? did garry advise you to stay there one or 2 days after the treatment to let your body recover?
and what did you do for accommodation/ transport?

Cheers mate,
Hope all is going well

Flash

02-02-2009, 11:33 PM

Hey mate

yes i did go last year and im heading there in 2 weeks again.

Last time i only got the half hour session but as we are from WA I'd reccommend getting an hour. I dont think he will focus on that groin for the whole hour but at least 30 mins, and then u can just ask to have the hips, quads, hammys done or if you have had another cronic injury u could ask him to work on that.

Last year the 30 min session was $55 i think
but i think i might have gone up a few dollars due to the economic crisis and stuff.

I think the 1 hour is $90 but take $100 just in case
If i was u i would fly jetstar. they have got cheaper flights now at $119 one way. thats the cheapest but u have to fly on tues, wed i think (middle of week) to get that price.

Like last year im taking the midnight flight leaving perth at bout 12, and that will arrive in Melbourne at bout 5 :30 melbourne time. Make sure u select the tallamarine melbourne airport. Then i book with jetbus which is a taxi service which will take you to the southern cross station, take the train from there which is $10 it was last yr to use it all day then take the train back to southern cross station from Mount Waverly where garrys place is and jetbus will take you back once you arrive at the station. you have too book all the times u want them to pick you up but its ok. Once u have booked your jetstar tickets and its comfirmed the website will ask you if u want to book with jetbus which i have done. i reckon its pretty good

You are very sore after the treatment well i was with bruises which lasted a week but you can go home on that same day which i did and am planning to do again. and he will tell you start run the very next day which is hard as your sore as. but it works, just dont over do it as you will get more injuries.

hope that helps, cheak out www.jetstar.com.au for flights if your looking for a bargin

cheers

flash

Flash

22-02-2009, 02:15 PM

just thought i would update my status, i saw garry miritis last week and i feel 80% better than before. this was my 2nd treatment. I have been running 25 mins now and i pull up good afterwards and the next day groin wise. I still get pain in my knees where they lock up but that should pass hopefully.

cheers

flash

Hamilton_Wildcats

04-04-2009, 03:32 AM

Hey folks,
neighbour from up in Canada here, play AFL up here and it is next to impossible to get a doctor to even look at OP as what is happening. Been goin on for 2-3 years now, finally have an MRI scheduled.
Have you ever looked into Prolotherapy? They inject something as simple as glucose into the area and it is supposed to rebuild from the injury. Apparently there is no down side, it either works or doesnt, no further damage.
real big pain as the injury is rarely diagnosed in canada (dont get it in hockey i suppose).
any stretches or excercises you guys can recommend?

Flash

07-04-2009, 12:13 AM

i have never herd of that mate, not here in Australia. but look into it and you can let us know how it went.

Cougars and sam read into this thread

Flash

07-04-2009, 12:15 AM

Cottesloe Sports Massage in Cottesloe

Ph: 9385 5887

Get them to focus on your legs and adductors.

look into this place if your in WA, i havent got any experience on it but connavaro appears to have cured his OP with it. as he states get them to focus on legs and adductors and groin areas

all the best

flash

Flash

13-05-2009, 11:55 PM

Hey vacvan

this thread related to footy osteitis, such as soccer, AFL rugby ect. give it a bit of a read particuarly cannavaro's posts as he is a perth soccer player and he overcame this condition and is back playing
he visited the place above so i would give them a call if you want treatment in perth. rest, 1 or 2 injections + massage is a good way in treating OP. if you read many posts in the forum i sure you will come to that conclusion as well

cheers

flash

BADIR

30-05-2009, 04:59 AM

HI IM FROM SPAIN. 7 MONTHS SUFFERING OP. CANNOT BE MORE FED UP. IM EVEN THINKING OF GOING TO MELBOURNE TO VISIT GERRY BUT IM AFRAID IT DOESNT WORK CAUSE TAHT WILL BE A LOT OF MONEY FOR ME.

ON THE OTHER HAND I DENY TO RESIGN SUFFERING OP LONGER. IM EVEN BECOMING DEPRESSED.

ANY IDEA OR ADVICE PLEASE
badir_penn@hotmail.com

Flash

16-07-2009, 10:46 PM

A thread that always goes missing as no one usually posts in it, but has info on members who have had OP relating to footy (AFL, soccer, rugby, Gaelic, ect)

cq5

28-08-2009, 07:26 PM

andre_bernard

06-09-2009, 08:15 PM

hey Flash,

I too have op and have had it for approx 6 months (since march 09).
I took the time to read this thread, i found it slightly amusing that once upon a time connavaro was the most knowledgable member of this thread, and now it is yourself who has all the wisdom. Kind of like the passing of a generation :)

Anyway, how is your OP going? I am curious because i would like to know what also to expect. At the moment I am getting massages from physio and doing very light core and glue exercises. running is out of the question still. I live in sydney and have heard alot about this miritis treatment.

looking forward to hearing all of your comments and tips etc

Flash

06-09-2009, 10:53 PM

Hey Andre

YeH Connavaro has past on the torch to me now :) as he has successfully beat OP. Have you had an MRI? and did you have at least 2 months rest once you got OP? if so then yes doing physio and getting massages is great in loosing the muscles as in some cases tight muscles groups can lead the muscle tears and strains and that will prolong your rehab program.

Not sure if you read Paul C's posts his from Sydney and he would travel to see Garry Miritis all in one day and be back in sydney at night. I do the same and im from WA and for me its a very long day. Garry's treatment should get you running again but be warned it is painful but it gets results. If you do go that option i reccommend getting at least 2 treatments in a 2 week period as i have had 3 one off treatments and it has helped me alot (i can run now, after not being able to cycle without feeling pain), but in saying that im still not 100% but 65% better off from when i first got it.

Yes strengthen glutes and core are key areas so your muscles dont become fatigued easily when you get to the stage of running again or cycling. If you fly to see garry go in October after the AFL GF as the flights will probably be cheaper. I just had a look on jetstar and from sydney - melbourne and back in the first week of october cost $148. I am amazed at that price as it is $159 one way from perth to melbourne.

All the best mate

Ben De' Ath

01-10-2009, 10:59 PM

Hey guys, ive been reading most of the posts which go way back. Like everyone else ive had alot of giref with the groins and been told i have adductor tendinitis which im assuming is very similiar to O.S as i seem to fit the bill with most symptons. Ive been suffereing roughly around 2 years, and while i can still workout in the gym as soon as it comes to running and changing direction i fail. Im based in England, London and play football 5 a side and 11 aside. Ive found that im fine during the game but afterwards i sieze up and am unable to move for the rest of the day and sometimes suffer painful twinges during the week. Im interested to know if there is a UK version of Gary Miritis? I read earlier that he would do a visit over here if there were enough clients is that still an option. Any advice would be ace.

Thanks in advance

Ben

Flash

03-10-2009, 12:16 AM

Hey Mate

"Alison Rose" Do a injuryupdate search in the posts sections there are several UK people who visited her from the UK in Leeds. Its the best thing to the G man down in Aust. Or A google search would have a fair bit on her as well

Here is a post from Paul

Hi All,

Hope everyone is doing OK. Just to let you know, I'm going to see Alison Rose in Leeds for a first appointment next Tuesday. She works with the GB Olympic team and has previous success with treating OP.

I'm keeping everything crossed that it goes well. I can post an update if anyone is interested in how it goes.

That was one of about 20 posts on Alison Rose on this forum

All the best Mate

Flash

james1050

14-10-2009, 11:20 PM

Hi guys,
Finally found people with same injury to talk with. Would be great if i could get some advice off someone. Im living in uk about 4 months ago started having groin pain through playing soocer. Well after seeing 2 doctors, physio with no luck i decided to pay privately just out of pure frustration. After seeing specialist in groin injuries i was sent for mri scan where op was confirmed. I was told i need a steriod injection into to area and this would sort it out and i had the injection 3 weeks ago.I must say thinks have improved i no longer get pain when i get out of bed or make any quick movements. I can for the 1st time in months jog very small distances (10 -20 metres)without pain. i can still feel something in that area but it is nothing like it was.its more like a ache now.Just wondering what happens next. To be honest i have exhausted all my funds to pay for any more treatment (over £1000).so is it best to rest or i have read about strenghten core exercises, pilates or streching i reallly need help. And is this aching i got there at mo is it in my head or is it normal after the procdure. I would be extremly grateful for any help.

Flash

15-10-2009, 12:12 AM

G'day James

Good move in seeing a specialist and listening to his advice in having an injection. May i ask where the injection was delivered into?? the pubis symphysis area (the top part of the pelvis) or into your adductor joints ( deep in your groin in between legs)?

Good to see you have responded to the injection.I would say you need to do some core exerisces as you have mentioned and perhaps see Alison Rose who is the best person for this condition in the UK as i have herd from a variety of members in this forum. She will give you some exercises, and if you ask for it a massage and i think so chrio work in putting the pubis symphysis back into place if it is slighty out. She is located in Leeds to i hope that isn't to far away from where you are staying in the UK. Really is the next best thing mate to do if you want to have the chance of getting back on your game.

All the best

Flash

james1050

15-10-2009, 02:05 AM

Cheers flash mate very much apperciated u getting back to me. I had injection into pubic symphysis. To be honest im pretty much spent out. So alison rose not really option at moment. Thats why i came on here looking for advice. I suppose thats only problem with going private. So do u think its ok to do core exercises now. Or more rest. Like i said the pain i had before as gone but its still something there but not the `catching` like b4 when ever i moved. Its just a ache now. Im hoping its just a stiffness. Im afraid at mo to do anything just in case i hurt it again.Once again thanks 4 advice and anymore would be great

Flash

15-10-2009, 09:20 PM

hey mate, If you can find the money form some where Alison Rose is the go in the UK. I would be resting for at least 2 more weeks waiting for everything to settle. During this time you can look for core exercises on teh net but do at your own risk. These exersices should be somewhat taught to you by a trained physio. take it easy when you start perhaps only 8 reps and 2 sets of about 4 exercises, be sure to warm up, strech every muscle gently as you would for a soccer match.

All the best

james1050

16-10-2009, 06:43 PM

Thanks one again flash very much appreciated.Thats the one thing i was afraid of going back to soon.I ll contact my club see if i can sort out some physio sessions. I ll let u know how it all goes.

Flash

23-11-2009, 05:32 PM

I just don't want to see this thread die, its a great thread in terms of OP and footy but for some reason i have adobted the OP (all kinds) thread.

Lets us know how you are progessing James if you come back ;)

giddyupp

11-12-2009, 06:08 PM

hey guys,

just read through most threads and could relate to every story on here, i play aussie rules and this year 3/4 way through the year i got op. groins were sort of sore before hand and was hard to do sit ups but one game i was running to pick up the ball full pace and something clicked in my groin and dropped me straight away, i could not run at all after that, played couple more games but was useless, couldnt turn, leap or run at all and was later diagnosed with op. now its pre season time and everyone is back at training, i havnt ran since august (last game of football) went to training a week ago and felt really good, end of the session they were getting really sore and the next day i could hardly walk. ive been to 3 phsios about this in the last few months, and have all been pretty crap, then i got on this site and found out about gary and darren at miritis massage, booked in straight away, and or though was a painful treatment, felt great straight after it all. I really want to be right 4 next year as im getting on and my playing days r numbered, one thing i want to do in my life is win a premiership, and next year is the year, it is so shattering when u think its all good and it comes back, u lose all motivation but seeing gary and darren could get this right. thanks for all the great info flash really good read.

reshos123

14-12-2009, 07:18 AM

i see this is a highly visited thread, so i will also post my questions here

i had that sharp pain in the pubic area during football, had to quit immedietly.
i'm now starting the 5th week of complete rest from all activities (besides work).

as i don't even attempt any risky moves or activities, i seldom feel the pain (i do feel it when doing certain things, but the pain is more bearable)
i don't mind if i won't be able to play football even till 2011.

weighlifting, especially strength training (squats, deadlifts etc) is much more important for me, and i'm curious when will it be the right time to start again (and i don't mind starting from scratch).

i read many posts talking about core strength.
well, i squat twice my bodyweight, i have to have a strong core, and despite that i suffer from OP, how come? (yeah it must be a stupid question).

thanks

BrokenbutBetter

17-12-2009, 10:49 PM

Hi guys
Just wanting to recommend a guy I've been seeing out in Wyndhamvale, near Werribee. His name is Sam Leslie and he's been working with Aussie cyclists as well as AFL, NRL and even just came back from some time at Liverpool in EPL! You wouldn't know it by his set up, its OK, but pretty modest, but this guy is a heavy hitter, he's got loads of aussie athletes coming to see him and flys all around the world.
Anyway his thing on osteitis pubis is Pilates and retraining the pelvic floor with ultrasound, along with stretches and deep ( he goes in hard) massage.
Anyway, I had issues for 12 months, seen stacks of physios and he got it all sorted in about 6 weeks.
Can't recommend him enough, especially for the guys that live out west of melbourne, as all the ones recommended here seem to be out east.
Cheers
BBB

Flash

22-12-2009, 01:56 AM

reshos123

24-12-2009, 03:05 AM

yo yo

well i just came back from the orthopedist, seems like a mistake, cos he said lower ab pain is a surgeon matter.
anyway he said he was quite sure i don't have osteitis pubis ("the pain is lower than you described"), and it can possibly be an "intra abdominal hernia" (have you ever heard of that?) or some rectus abdominus strain.
that's quite weird because i suffered from exactlhy the same pain and symptoms that come with osteitis pubis, and i don't know what he thought, the pain is located exactly where osteitis pubis hurts.

he sent me to schedule an appointment at the surgeon. this will probably take a month and i'm tired of that.
during this whole waiting time the pain kind of faded away. i've been stretching and having massages, the pain gradually reduced until now when i don't even feel it.

i don't wanna risk anything so i won't play football, at least not before july.

as for gym, well a week ago i started light workouts, including squats (light). no pain so far, it actually makes me feel better.

anyway, i'm confused, what do you think?

Flash

27-12-2009, 01:40 AM

Where are you from mate?

The only way to be sure what the problem is, is to have an MRI but these can be expensive in some countries. In some cases surgery in that area can make things worse so if you feel you are getting better don't have the surgery. A type of hernia can be described as Osteitis Pubis as the problem is located close to the pubis symphysis, but like i said the only way to be sure you have OP is the have an MRI all this seeing doctors and surgeons can be a waste of money if you are not getting an accurate dignoses.

But it is possible to have mild OP (2-3 months) or even just suffer from tight muscles in the hamstring, adductors, glutes, abdominals and lower back which can cuase groin pain. This may have been the case as you seem to have responded well to massage.

What i think you should do, continue deep massage on muscles listed above (about twice a month), please keep the workouts light until at least 3 - 4 weeks until you get an idea if the workouts are making the pain slightly better or worse, Fish oil is good for the joints so taking this (10ml max) daily wouldn't be a bad thing if you get some pain in the pubis symphysis. If you start taking too much I have found it starts to effect the muscles for some reason.

All the best

reshos123

31-12-2009, 09:33 AM

y0

i'm from israel by the way.

i haven't scheduled a surgeon appointment, and i'm not sure that i want to go through that because it will take at least a couple of weeks to schedule an appointment.
i'm not a doctor, but this whole thing doesn't sound or feel like a hernia or anything other than osteitis pubis, i got all its symptoms and it just feels like an inflammation, and the pain just "sits there" and not doesn't occur only when i lift, shit (sorry) or do these kind of things, the pain just hangs there.
i think i'll check it out tomorrow and see how quick i can arrange that appointment just to hear to some professional advice.

well, more than 2 months after, i feel much better. felt no pain in the past month. but yes, i do sometimes feel some kind of tightness and discomfort in the pubis symphysis (like now when sitting for a while).
i found some exercises that help strengthen the muscles surrounding the pelvis, and they seem to help.

began squatting and deadlifting (light) again, so far nothing special, i will keep them light till it gets better and better, especially the squat, as it requires strength and tightness in the pelvis and i want to avoid direct tension in that area.

now it's actually the weirdest period, because i don't really know where it stands, and how the healing actually progresses, as i haven't tried anything too hard yet.

what advice can you give me? how did you feel during that time? share your thoughts with me if you can.

thanks so much.

Flash

31-12-2009, 06:11 PM

Hey mate

I still get that pain when i have been sitting for a while as well. I would keep exercises up as long as it isn't causing any pain to the groin area. It does sound like Osteitis Pubis but without an MRI you can not be 100% sure. I would not over do it as healing can take a long time. I have had it for 3 and a half years and it has improved but hasn't fully gone away.

If you can find a good massage therpist around where you live give it a go as this will help loosen the muscles around that area. To me it only sounds like a mild case of OP, however if you do too much with the squats it may get worse.

All the best

reshos123

01-01-2010, 12:01 AM

wow, 3 and a half years must feel like forever..

a friend of mine is a certified massager, visited him twice, after the first massage i felt a great relief.

i felt some muscle sorness (doms) in my legs due to their long inactivity perio and the adjustments my body had to make when i began working out again, and during that time i felt the whole area tighter and that's probably why i got that feeling it's still hanging there (the inflammation, though it doesn't hurt or feels like it's gons hurt), so i'll just take it slower in terms of squats and deadlifts.

right now i'm not even thinking of running or playing football..

i guess the first phase is over, as the pain has gone, but i assume the healing process will be a whole lot slower from now on.

how am i supposed to know how it goes? i think running or kicking a ball are too risky, because i don't want to feel that pain again, and waste all the time and treatments i've had.

reshos123

02-01-2010, 05:57 AM

wow
my lower back muscles seem to have sprained today. shortly after the pain in the pubic region came back to say hello.
this is the first time in a month that i feel pain in the pubis symphysis..

i guess this whole thing is because now the muscles around (especially the lower back muscles as i just mentioned) are now very tight? (had a workout yesterday)

Flash

12-01-2010, 03:15 PM

How has things been progressing Reshos? Hope you have still be taking it easier than normal on those weights. It has been a week and a bit have you felt any better or started to get slighly worse?

nicirl

13-01-2010, 10:36 PM

Does anyone have any info on idiopathic - i.e. non-sports and non-pregnancy related OP? I have been crippled with the pain for 7 months, suffered an appendectomy, laparotomy, colonsocopy and finally drew the line at exploratory surgery. On finally getting the referral I had asked for three months ago last week, within 2 minutes and a basic physical exam I was diagnosed as having OP - I could have cried with relief because I was being led to believe the debilitating pain was all in my head. I’ve had MRI, CT scan, ultrasound and surgery, none of which diagnosed the OP but I guess they just were not looking for it. I have to see another specialist for OP treatment asap but my concern is that I cannot find any information for non-sports or pregnancy related OP. Anyone any clues??? Apologies if I’m not posting in the relevant area, but I’m a first timer be gentle with me….my doctors haven’t!

Flash

15-01-2010, 11:42 PM

Hi Nicirl

Sport OP and Pregency OP are usually the same. They have the same pain and Symptoms. Your closest groin specialist would be Alison Rose in Leeds. She use to work with the UK olympic game team. Here is her website http://www.alirose.net/theteam/Alison-Rose , try getting in contact with her. She has helped many UK based members on this site.

All the best

Flash

nicirl

16-01-2010, 12:03 AM

Hi Flash
Appreciate the reply and had found the Alison Rose recommendation buried in other posts - but my problem is my OP is NOT sport and NOT pregnancy related, so as its unclear why I have it it seems standard sports and medical approaches do not apply - im getting more and more concerned as I dig more, and I couldn’t even manage the flight to the UK for help.....have you ever heard of OP that has no trigger??

Thanks a mil anyway for getting back to me, stuck on the sofa with pain today....

N

QUOTE=Flash;50638]Hi Nicirl

Sport OP and Pregency OP are usually the same. They have the same pain and Symptoms. Your closest groin specialist would be Alison Rose in Leeds. She use to work with the UK olympic game team. Here is her website http://www.alirose.net/theteam/Alison-Rose , try getting in contact with her. She has helped many UK based members on this site.

All the best

Flash[/QUOTE]

giddyupp

21-01-2010, 11:54 PM

G'day Reshos

A sharp pain in the pubis is a sign of OP, but when I got mine I was able to play on for another 2 weeks with no pain, 3 weeks with slight pain and finally 1 game where i got dropped from the A team as none of my kicks (AFL) could hit targets thats when i knew i had to stop.

As for weightlifting, I would keep away from squats for at least 6 months as this will damage the injury more, upperbody weights may cause some discomfort, I would be taking a rest from weights for 2 months at the very least but i know what diehard people are like if you have to do weights only do upperbody but if it is causing increasing pain in the groin STOP.

Eveb if you do have a strongcore strength, this can be tested by balancing on a aerobics ball sitting on it with legs in the air and staying on for as long as possible (this may cause you pain now as you have OP)

If you do have a strong core the chances are that your groin is misaligned. If you are in Australia or Melbourne I would reccommend Miritis Massage but its up to you what you want to do. Get rid of this injury now and don't ignore it otherwise you could have it for months or years.

Brokenbutbetter thanks for the heads up mate

All the best

u say u played afl and call it the a team, u must be taking the piss, maybe u really wanted to make it but got this injury and blamed it on op, r u serious cause 4 some reason i dont belive u, no offence love ya posts but dont wan 2 hee that shit.
i am not kiddig the best way to get rid of this awful injury is rest, at least 6 months of doing absouloutly nothing, it is hard to do nothing 4 that long but if u can u have a 90 % chance of killing it. worst injury ive ever had in footy and ive had a knee reco, there is nothing u can do, i cant belive the other injurys it leads to aswell, massage helps at he time but end of the day its rest.

Flash

23-01-2010, 03:52 PM

u say u played afl and call it the a team, u must be taking the piss, maybe u really wanted to make it but got this injury and blamed it on op, r u serious cause 4 some reason i dont belive u, no offence love ya posts but dont wan 2 hee that shit.
i am not kiddig the best way to get rid of this awful injury is rest, at least 6 months of doing absouloutly nothing, it is hard to do nothing 4 that long but if u can u have a 90 % chance of killing it. worst injury ive ever had in footy and ive had a knee reco, there is nothing u can do, i cant belive the other injurys it leads to aswell, massage helps at he time but end of the day its rest.

When I meant I play (AFL) I mean in terms of a type of football as many members come over have played soccer, rugby, Gaelic football and all call it football. A team I mean my country league side as there is also a reserves team. 90% rest to kill it off? I think you are taking the piss, you tell that to many of the members who have posted in here and in the other OP thread and they will really give it to you. Many people have had it longer than I have and are still yet to recover. If you have never had the injury then you can't have any sort of knowledge what so ever of how long it takes to recover

reshos123

31-01-2010, 09:24 AM

y0 y0 flash

well, things are going fine.
in terms of weight lifting - i'm feeling and doing great. sqautting and deadlifting and feeling no pain.

yesterday i was so sore (and especially sick), and surprisingly i felt no pain in the groin at all (the pain usually shows up immediately when the area is sore).

i have an ultrasound scan scheduled for next week.

i was thinking about playing football, but i'm not sure about it at all.
the most i ran ever since getting injured was 5-6 meters (and in a straight line, lol), so i don't really have an indication of how much i really recovered...

Flash

31-01-2010, 04:11 PM

Hey mate

Sounds like things are going OK. Wait on the results from the ultrasound. If nothing comes up then you probably did have mild OP or a groin tear which has now shown signs of healing as you are able to do weights with little to no pain.

Kicking a soccer ball can be alot different though. If you are feeling no pain when doing your weight sessions see how strong your adductors are on ight weights. If they seem fine and so does the groin then you will need to ease into playing soccer again.

eg

short 1m kicks at training (no longer).
half pace jogging
very limited kicking drills until groin muscles can tolorate kicking
Never train more than 60% intensity until you feel up to it (about 3 weeks of training)
Don't over stride links in point above as you shouldn't be training hard at all
Limit twisting and turning drills

All the best

Cannavaro

11-02-2010, 12:47 AM

Hey all its been a very long time how is everyone going?

Hopefully the OP is staying at bay and you have all gone on to become pro athletes (well some of like to think we have hehe)

Just remember never give up even when he pain seems unbearable.

All the best.

Flash

11-02-2010, 01:00 AM

The OP KING returns ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Still getting those treatments in cottesole?

Had my 4th session with garry today just go back. It has been other injuries which have slowed me right down. I have had Shin splints and now have plantar fasciitis, some ITBS and knee bursitis. having my 5th and most likely final session next week as I am going to see someone in scarbough and just get monthly massages like yourself. that could be the probablem now just tight muscles. the pubis is not out of place any more as garry has put it in during the 1st treatment and it has stayed.

But I am tired it is 2am vic time and despite it being only 11 pm WA time I am very jet lagged and still used to the vic time,.

good night

Paul C

13-02-2010, 10:31 PM

Hi Nicirl,

If it's not caused by pregnancy and not caused by sports injury then the other possibilities are:

1. repetitive strain injury caused other than by sport;
2. Medical conditions which could include: inflammatory disease (such as ankylosing spondylitis or reiter's syndrome); osteomyelitis (not sure if i spelled that correctly); chronic pelvic pain associated with issues such as urogenitary problems like endometriosis (again not sure about the spelling).

Those are some things I can think of.

Paul

Flash

18-02-2010, 02:32 PM

Good to see you back Paul, how are you going OP wise?

Paul C

18-02-2010, 11:42 PM

Flash

19-02-2010, 06:14 PM

Hi mate,

Yeah it's good to be back, I actually got badly sick with something unrelated to the injury so I've been out of action for a long time. I don't seem to be having much health luck this life!!! Not doing so well on the groin injury front, still plenty of pain, instability and discomfort. I exercise alot through the pain to try to strengthen it but it doesn't seem to get me too far. Still can't do much at all, even just every day stuff. I'm trying to keep it simple so my current plan is exercise, eat well and look after myself and do the best I can. I've also been spending alot of time researching all the surgical options because I'm still considering that.

How's yours going? Sounds from your other post like garry's helped you alot. Are you able to play sport? Have the other injuries like the shin splints settled down? I wonder whether alot of those other one's have come on secondary to the groin injury because of overcompensation or weakness caused by it. What do you reckon?

How's things otherwise?

Paul
Keep trying looking for other options before surgery I reckon Paul. I know you didn't have much success with Garry, and I know you are going to think this suggestion is a waste of time as they do similar things but have you got in contact with Pat Allen?

Sure he is 300km away from Melbourne and it is a bit of an effort to get there if your not from Victoria but I would suggest giving him a go for 2 treatments or so.

Well I have just finished my 2 treatments in 2 weeks with Garry very rencently and I have to say the groin feels alot better. Overall I have had 5 treatments now so I am hoping this is it. I am doing his program very slowly I am only going to so walking for the first week due to those secondary injuries then hopefully a week later get into some running.

The secondary injuries I have is still with both of my knees with ITBS and I believe some patella tendinitis but I am trying superbalm (some wheatgrass cream) with my knees and it seems to be getting some results. I believe the shin splints have gone but I still get some pain in the tibia on the left side and not that often on the right. But with those 2 injuries my worst secondary injury at the moment now is Plantar Fasciitis (foot injury involving the arch of the feet). But Garry worked on these as well and I am weaing othotics.

Really I believe it will be a month before I know my results injury wise and as much as I want to get back out and play sport and try and achieve playing it at a high level I am putting my future career first at this stage (PE teaching) as I want to be injury free when I do this and not be having to take pain killers before and after a day of teaching. It is very possible that the groin did cause those secondary injuries as prior to OP the only problems I had with my body was dodgy ankles and I really used to push my body to the limits before OP so my body was very strong in terms of the strain and stress it could take, but this seemed to change after getting OP dramatically.

All the best and keep looking for other options before surgery even though there isn't much out there