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injuryupdate
20-09-2004, 05:19 AM
Interesting article. Not sure how much credit for the fact that Brisbane is the best team should be given to their medical staff being the 'best', and that all of their unconventional treatments work. Obviously they make the players believe they are going to be right:

From Herald-Sun:

Big guns nursing sore bodies
By Mark Robinson
September 20, 2004

ONLY seconds after the last of the Brisbane players limped into the rooms on Saturday night, the outside world was shut out. Literally.

The bloke on the door said no one was allowed to enter for 20 minutes.

Why? They would open after the warm down, he said.

Yeah, but why? "Secret medical stuff," he said.

There's nothing untoward there, of course, because Brisbane, like every AFL team, keeps its sore bodies away from revealing eyes.

But Brisbane, more than any other club, is the master in the AFL medical world. It is innovative, professional and so damned bloody secretive.

They did it so successfully at last year's Grand Final that it was only on the Monday did we learn the medical staff had used an incredible 18 vials of painkillers to get the players through their third successive premiership.

The painkillers will be needed again this Saturday after their bruising encounter with Geelong. How many is anyone's guess. Perhaps we'll have to wait until Monday again.

Once in the rooms, the Lions told one story and our eyes told another.

Other than Shaun Hart with the busted face, every player to a man, including the hamstrung Craig McRae, were either OK or, in Hart's case, a chance to play in the GF.

Their injury list is long but not at crisis point. Jonathan Brown (knee) and Alastair Lynch (legs) are the obvious concerns, while McRae is almost certain to miss.

Michael Voss had slight concussion, Luke Power slightly more after a crunching shirtfront from Steve Johnson.

"It will take some time to get my faculties back," Power said as he left the medical room and headed for the team bus. Power did not seem too distressed. He was one of 13 players to complete the warm-down run-throughs, but Lynch said don't look too far into the missing nine. "A few of us never do them," he quipped.

Indeed, the medical room was as busy as the showers.

Voss looked sore, Brown even worse. Those two were the last to depart for the bus, just before midnight.

Brown was the last to leave the medical room. The game finished just after 10pm and Brown, severely limping, headed for the showers at 11.30pm. Voss was still in his footy gear at 11.15pm.

Club doctor Andrew Smith wouldn't talk about Brown's knee, or Voss, or anyone for that matter. It's club policy. No medical staff go on the record.

Media manager Ron McDonald said Brown was off limits to the press, as was Vossy. Asked if it was common for Voss to still be in his gear an hour or so after the game, McDonald said: "Not normally. He's just caught up with a few people. He gets his leg iced, he gets everything iced, but I tell you what, I know the first bloke who will get picked next week."

The Lions are medical giants of the AFL. They have two doctors, an orthopedic surgeon, four physiotherapists, an acupuncturist, a dietitian, eight masseurs, a podiatrist and a psychologist, who apply a host of conventional and unconventional methods. It was reported last year that tennis balls and potatoes were used for treating injuries. Chris Johnson, who has had just 12 weeks layoff in two years, has sore groins, and will need daily treatment this week from the support staff. But he was adamant the team on the whole was healthy.

"It's just that everyone's got little niggles and stuff. Go to any side and there's little niggles. But when it comes to competing you just forget about it," Johnson said.

"The medical staff do so well. They give you the opportunity to train without the pain. You've got Peter Stanton and Victor Popov that work wisdoms on your back and all that sort of stuff.

"I'll be in all week with them and getting the work done and they'll get me up no worries."

Lynch, who was barely moving at game's end, will work with the physios every day and be on the track, hopefully, by Wednesday. "I've spent most of the year with the physios," Lynch sighed.

Last year, coach Leigh Matthews joked post-match there would be a shortage of painkillers in the country, but the Lions players said the situation this year was not nearly as epidemic.

"We're not using (anywhere) near the amount of painkillers that what happened last year," Johnson said.

"Our medical staff has been criticised for it, but they do a great job for us. They get us up week in, week out. They wouldn't use it unless it had to be used."

Herald Sun

Jacko
20-09-2004, 05:31 PM
hi guys, long time reader, first time writer..

I think the problem with AFL is that there are too many gurus floating round. If you go back to the 1980's someone stopped everyone drinking beers after a game and he was a guru. Then the fitness guy stopped everyone running 20Km on the road for a training session and decided to do intervals on grass and he became a guru. When Hawthorn made the prelim it was all because the fitness guy had Shane Crawford running B grade Melbourne athletics, so he got all the credit.. Then everyone had to do athletics to keep up. Then someone put a suisse ball on the bench and he became a guru - and everyone followed. Then someone put a bike on the bench, what next a York 2001?

But Brisbane seem to be the master of this sought of thing, doing something that noone else has done and then getting labeled guru's. Whehter it was the intravenous injections, ice jackets, the use of crystal therapy, the 43 medical and fitness staff, or the potato. Do we forget that they have an extra 1/2 a million in their salary cap and maybe that's why they win all their games???

GO POWER

I can't wait until next year when we start seeing every player with a corkie icing it up with a potato salad just to make it back on the field. Or the treatment of choice for osteitis pubis becomes putting a 1/4 chicken and chips down the front of your shorts - just because Brisbane does. But this thing goes full circle. How often do you hear after the pre-season that they did '100 100s', or they had Tom Hafey do a session when they ran around with bricks above their head and they weren't allowed a drink in 40 degree heat for mental toughness.

Danny
20-09-2004, 08:03 PM
I cannot stop laughing Jacko that was one of the funniest posts I've read. A very valid point, the playing field needs to be evened out. Without a doubt you get my vote for funniest post in season 2003/04.

Cheers
Dan

injuryupdate
20-09-2004, 08:29 PM
Sometime soon we will get a sponsor of the Forum and give out prizes for the best posts and that would be a contender.

You may not need to whinge for too much longer if the Power can knock off the Lions in the AFL GF this weekend.

I agree that the Lions have done a great marketing job on both their own players and the media with respect to medical advances. They seem very keen to try and promote any new (or old) remedy that is available. Within their club they obviously have the confidence of the players that they are at the cutting edge. With respect to the media, anything that suggests that it is anything other than salary cap advantages that causes them to be so good is a bonus at keeping the rules the way they are.

As a stats geek, I would suggest that the Power have been as good a team as the Lions over the past 3 years, they just haven't peaked at the right time like the Lions have. A big advantage they have (which the Lions miraculously got last year) is that they go in as underdogs. It also helps that the Power won't be carrying dodgy players into the game, whereas the Lions may be tempted to play McRae, Lynch and a few others that aren't right, on the basis that the gamble paid off last year.

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baldbeagle
23-09-2004, 10:38 AM
Another AFL guru examples:

Gerard Healy. Super player, media man and studied physiotherapy in the early 1980’s - back in the days of the Dick Smith physio ie: plug ‘em in and leave ‘em for 30 minutes. He probably kept up to date on things for a few years and learnt to apply three pieces of tape to every injury and it’ll be alright. Because of this he is now the medical expert and the first to throw his opinion round on all things medical. But if you compare him to the cerebral champions on the couch next to him (Robert Walls etc) it’s not hard to appear a ‘guru’.

sydunisportsmed
23-09-2004, 12:42 PM
Watching the AFL we are getting spoilt having Drs like Peter Larkins and Peter Brukner who actually know what they are talking about make some expert comments, so it does show up the lack of knowledge in those who may have played but haven't actually worked as team physios or doctors.

In the NRL, they get another Peter to be the injury expert on the TV but it is Peter Sterling, and it is embarassing to have to listen to a commentary team that really has no idea what they are talking about injury wise. Gerard Healy would be Einstein on injuries if he joined the rugby league coverage.

baldbeagle
23-09-2004, 04:04 PM
Why don't the NRL medico's get the same press coverage as their colleagues involved with the AFL. Being based in Brisbane, you never hear an NRL's team Dr mentioned on the tele or newspaper and it seems the AFL guys are in there everyweek just about. It also seems the AFL guys are willing to pull a stunt or two just to get their mug on the back page, just like the post concussion amnesia case. Is there a 'class division' between the two codes and having dabbled in both codes which would you rather work with? When will a Dr join the commentory team in the NRL. What's your voice like??

injuryupdate
23-09-2004, 04:24 PM
It is a double edged sword getting a lot of media. Certainly doctors in the AFL get more media compared to the NRL, they also get paid more. The flip side is they are expected to turn up to training whenever the team has a weights session, and if any of the teams' injuries are taking longer to recover than first thought, then people in the media and even supporters start to call for the medicos to be sacked.

There is a bit of an attitude in the AFL that giving the public medical information (in detail) is good, whereas it gets passed over in the NRL (and union for that matter).

There are some occasions when I think that Peter Larkins has the easiest gig of all, not having to worry about making the pressure decisions, and just having to describe them in the media, and he probably makes as much money as any team doctor. However, he probably gets told by his editors all the time to stop sitting on the fence and start telling the public how the various team doctors could have done things differently. Then he occasionally will get caught in a situation where it looks like he has outright bagged one of his colleagues in the media (e.g. if he says, as an expert, maybe they should be holding this player back a bit longer before he returns).

Part of the explanation as to why this stuff is much more commonly discussed in the AFL, is that there is genuine competition between the various TV and radio outlets for the AFL. In the NRL, they give the TV rights completely to Channel 9 and the radio rights completely to 2GB, so there isn't much incentive for these stations to spice up their coverage with a doctor or physio, because everyone is forced to tune in if they want to see the coverage. In the AFL the various stations are trying to outdo each other as to who has the sexiest coverage.

baldbeagle
23-09-2004, 04:51 PM
And we're yet to see a Tiffany Cherry pop up in the NRL!