Feedback on SURGICALLY ?REPAIRED? ACETABULUM LABRUMS

[UK Surfer]

This thread is to capture individual?s experiences post arthroscopy to ?repair? their acetabulum labrum/s.
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DO post if your labrum has been stitched and/or anchored.

DO NOT post if your labrum has been debrided ? i.e. a section cut away and permanently removed from the body.
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I believe many patients are benefiting from simple debridement of the labrum. However, I suspect, like me to date, many patients are NOT benefiting from stitching and anchoring of the labrum. Please post both positive and negative experiences here for the benefit of all. I for one want to know what I can expect.

My experiences
Age: 37
Sex: Male
Hip: RHS
Suspected cause of tear: Cam impingement
Surgical remedy for cause of tear: Bone removed on neck to ball
Nature of tear: ?1 to 5 ?o?clock?.
Detachment of base of labrum? ?Plastic anchor peg was used into bone?
Work done: stitches and anchors placed.
Recommended time on crutches post op: 2 weeks no load; 2 weeks part-load
Actual time on crutches: 2 weeks no load: 4 weeks part-load

Symptoms Pre-Operation
I had good strength and flexibility. The joint felt good on a day to day basis. I suffered in that I had no endurance. I had stopped doing long walks/stands and dancing. However, I could surf, breast-stroke swim, ride a bike (I used the good leg more). With household/work activities I was pain free most days. If I walked too far (1 mile) I would get pain in my groin. The pain would subside immediately I ceased activity. I experienced only a hint of sensation in my bum very infrequently.

Symptoms Post-Operation
After about 6 weeks I was able to stand and walk pain free. I still have reasonable flexibility. However, I had no endurance and could not stand/walk enough in each day to live and feed myself, let alone work. The pain came on in a similar location to pre-op ? in my groin. Physiotherapist was positive, as if I could stand pain free for 1 minute, then it was fatiguing muscles that allowed the joint to move to a painful position.

Solution: strengthen specific muscles. Two key exercises. One, bridge up hips when lying on back with knees bent ? lift good leg in air. My hips collapsed downwards on the unsupported side. Not so other way round. Two, stand near wall on bad leg, with knee of good leg bent move to touch wall and push away, whilst maintaining bodies distance from wall. Muscle in upper bum fatigued in 5 seconds. I worked on these exercises from 8 until 12 weeks. Over this time I was able to bridge well (re-recruiting unused muscle) and achieve good stamina against wall. In line with this, I was pain free and venturing on 500m walks. Very exciting, especially as I was concerned as to whether I would walk again at 4 weeks!

Then at 13 weeks whilst doing the ?standing against the wall? exercise, I noticed a slight something (nothing?) in my groin and maybe a bit of heat. There was no excessive loading ? I had done same exercise 100?s of times. The next day, it felt different, unlike ever before. Pain in bum and down inside of leg ? hurts most of the time, esp. when sitting. Joint instills no confidence and have stopped all unnecessary activity other than swimming with my arms to keep me sane. I am not on any medication for pain. I can live with pain, so long I am in the process of resolving its cause!

It is clear to me that something significant has changed in my hip joint at about 13 weeks. I have never been so scared, not even when I was held underwater by my surfboard lease snagging on the reef, nature trying to drown me. As it currently stands I am finding it hard to see how I can live my life, I am in far deeper water now. Enough. I welcome your replies/postings on this thread.

Benn

[rachael]

Hi Benn,

Im waiting for my labrum repair, im prone to labrum problems due to having bilateral hip dyslpasia. Been in alot of pain 2 yr on tons pain relief and feel like old women. im only 31yrs.
I try to exercise 4 times (EG SWIMMING YOGA GYM) a week as im in pain if i sit, stand or exercise so i try to just carry on.
Im still at work but have cut my hours to 30 hrs a week. I moan alot about my pain but it is hard to see an end to it all,,,,,,, as waiting times so long.

Im an intensive care nurse so i work closley with my ortho consultant and i havent really asked him many questions as i totally trusted his judgement , but after reading your post i will ask may more questions. Although he is sending me for a 2nd opinion at a specialist hip hospital.

You sound like you have had a really bad time and its easy for me to say stay positive as i know pain and restricted lifestyle gets me down but with all the advice and support on this forum try to give yourself a break.

xxx Rachael


You sound like you are going through the mill

[HipMom]

My daughter's experiences
Age: 20
Sex: Female
Hip: Right
Suspected cause of tear: Dislocation happened in a 15ft fall while snowboarding 1 yr. ago.
Surgical remedy for cause of tear: n/a
Nature of tear: ascetabular
Detachment of base of labrum? metal anchors (2) and stitches
Work done: stitches and anchors placed.
Recommended time on crutches post op: 4 weeks no load; part-load to be determined at her 1-month post-op visit. She had surgery on the 7th of March.

Symptoms Pre-Operation
Hip soreness that no physical therapy would resolve. Slight catching, pulling feeling down the inside of her thigh and ultimately knee pain.

Symptoms Post-Operation
After about 2-1/2 weeks she has had 3 PT sessions. Today she was able to cycle on a stationary bike. By week's end she should be in a lap pool doing gently resistance excercises. She also had a very aggressive stretching session today which hurt, but she siad it was "good pain" because she feels like things are moving in the right direction. Her schedule is for about 14 weeks of PT 3 times per week. The hardest part is keeping her from putting weight on it. She is dying to but her doc said ABSOLUTELY NOT - won't even let her use a cane becuase he knows she'll go too far w/the weight bearing.

[focus_911]

My Own experience
Age: 22
Sex: Female
Hip: Both hips
Suspected cause of tear: Bilateral hip dysplasia
Surgical remedy for cause of tear: n/a
Nature of tear: acetabular
Detachment of base of labrum? metal anchors (2) and stitches
Work done: stitches and anchors placed some debriment for frayed cartilage
Recommended time on crutches post op: 2 weeks no load; 4 weeks part-load, full weight barring over a period of 2 weeks.

Symptoms Pre-Operation
Severe catching during bending down/squatting, picking things up from the floor, getting in and out of the car, any type of leg movement while sitting or moving bum around the chair/sitting up. Difficulty staying asleep at night. Leg would relax and then catch which would cause pain and cause a loud catching sound which would wake me up. Caused a lot of trouble at work (EMS) as well as during horseback riding which I do competitively.
Severe catching when stepping off sidewalk, or getting in and out of the car: would barely be able to walk right afterwards up to a few hours afterwards. Aching in bum.

Symptoms Post-Operation
No longer get the dislocating feeling but more catching in the hip. A little stiffer in the operated hip.

Solution: Had the scope on Dec 1st. Been going thru an intense PT program since the 2nd week post-op. Continue physio for another 6 week when an alternative procedure will be discussed.

Here is a video news clip about my surgery, passed on national tv ;) : http://www.ibctoday.com/News/ViewNewsItem.aspx?newsItemId=15287&rootVideoPanelType=1

[UK Surfer]

Hey Rachael

Sorry to hear the tough times you are going through - I feel for you.

I have posted 2 new threads on this site. This one is for my benefit (and others). The second is mainly to help others, as I have passed the stage in the process with which it deals. However, you are earlier in the process than me, so the second thread should be helpful - 'Read Before ATHROSCOPY FOR ACETABULUM LABRUM TEAR'.

Can I suggest a question for your consultant, "What evidence is there that the labrum can heal itself, and re-attach itself to the acetabulum after having stitches and anchors placed surgically?". I would love to know his/her view.

Some surgeons take the view it cannot, in which case it is only as strong as the stitches/anchors. In this scenario anyone with a 'repaired' labrum (as opposed to a lubrum with a bit cut away) should know that the joint must be treated with kid-gloves for ever! I will be asking my consultant this same question as my labrum has been stitched and anchored.

Good luck and take a slow ploddy path on this one - I did not go slow enough!

Benn


Hi Benn,

Im waiting for my labrum repair, im prone to labrum problems due to having bilateral hip dyslpasia. Been in alot of pain 2 yr on tons pain relief and feel like old women. im only 31yrs.
I try to exercise 4 times (EG SWIMMING YOGA GYM) a week as im in pain if i sit, stand or exercise so i try to just carry on.
Im still at work but have cut my hours to 30 hrs a week. I moan alot about my pain but it is hard to see an end to it all,,,,,,, as waiting times so long.

Im an intensive care nurse so i work closley with my ortho consultant and i havent really asked him many questions as i totally trusted his judgement , but after reading your post i will ask may more questions. Although he is sending me for a 2nd opinion at a specialist hip hospital.

You sound like you have had a really bad time and its easy for me to say stay positive as i know pain and restricted lifestyle gets me down but with all the advice and support on this forum try to give yourself a break.

xxx Rachael


You sound like you are going through the mill

[UK Surfer]

Hey Hip Mum

Thank you for your post. I read it with great interest and I am very sorry to hear the plight of your daughter. I did a ski season at 21 and know what she must be feeling.

I think your consultant's recommendation for keeping the weight off for longer than the patient feels necessary, is wise. A totally fundamental question we need to know, so as to understand the long-term prognosis, is the degree to which the labrum can heal. Poor to 'no healing' implies a radical change of lifestyle as the join will remain vulnerable . I have just migrated to Australia, with the intention of surfing everyday. However, this feels a silly dream currently. I am now hopeful that I will be able to live everyday life mainly pain free.

Can I suggest a question for your consultant, "What evidence is there that the labrum can heal itself, and re-attach itself to the acetabulum after having stitches and anchors placed surgically?". I would love to know his/her view.

I was told the 'stitch and anchor' surgery has only been done in the last 5 to 8 years.

I hope your daughter's progression is good.

Benn

[UK Surfer]

Thank you for your posting.

I have read most of your postings and you really have my sympathy.

Hopefully this thread will become a ONE-STOP-SHOP for patient's experience arfter having their labrums 'REPAIRED' (STITCHED and ANCHORED). Debridement (cut and lob a section of labrum away) is a VERY DIFFERENT OPERATION and not relevant to these pages.

In keeping with this I would welcome this thread to give views on the question of, "CAN THE LABRUM HEAL and REATTACH ITSELF TO THE RIM OF THE HIP SOCKET (acetabulum)?" Perhaps you could ask your consultants view on this and post it here?

Cheers
Benn

[UK Surfer]

Thought I would update.

At 3 mnths post surgery, my symptoms changed overnight, giving me incapacitating new pain in my bum. Very scary. I thought I had retorn the repaired labrum.

Turns out it is the piriformis muscle putting pressure on the sciatic nerve - try Piriformis Syndrome in Google.

After about 3 weeks (with some physio simply stretching the piriformis muscle) I am much better and all the new pain has gone.

Hope this gives some peace of mind to readers struck by the same ailment.

I am still not at the level I was pre-op, but I am hopeful that I will be better in the long run.

Benn

[HipMom]

Hey Hip Mum

Thank you for your post. I read it with great interest and I am very sorry to hear the plight of your daughter. I did a ski season at 21 and know what she must be feeling.

I think your consultant's recommendation for keeping the weight off for longer than the patient feels necessary, is wise. A totally fundamental question we need to know, so as to understand the long-term prognosis, is the degree to which the labrum can heal. Poor to 'no healing' implies a radical change of lifestyle as the join will remain vulnerable . I have just migrated to Australia, with the intention of surfing everyday. However, this feels a silly dream currently. I am now hopeful that I will be able to live everyday life mainly pain free.

Can I suggest a question for your consultant, "What evidence is there that the labrum can heal itself, and re-attach itself to the acetabulum after having stitches and anchors placed surgically?". I would love to know his/her view.

I was told the 'stitch and anchor' surgery has only been done in the last 5 to 8 years.

I hope your daughter's progression is good.

Benn
Haven't had the chance to ask your question yet Benn, but I can tell you that Sam is doing pretty well. She has just begun to walk without a crutch this week (over 6 weeks post-op) and feels as though her PT is making her stronger. Last visit w/doc he told her she will be able to snowboard on her upcoming summer in New Zealand - probably by end of July. This is the news she has been waiting for...she won't be doing any tricks, but just the thought that she can cruise on her board again has her really excited. The only pain she is feeling lately is achey muscles after her PT sessions. Nothing too bad. I will have her add your question to her list of issues for her next and last meeting w/doc prior to her trip.

[UK Surfer]

As I originally posted on this site as a potential sceptic of the labrum repair surgery, I felt it reasonable to report good experiences. Yes, I had a tough ride post surgery. But it appears a lot of this was due to a false expectation of how quickly I would recover (mis-lead by the surgeon). Additionally, I had complications after 2.5 years of poor walking gait and potentially lower back issues in earlier life.

I am now just over 7 months post surgery and am very positive about my position. The very specific pain has now gone - I can kick when swimming front crawl and can push hard when cycling! It sometimes aches a bit.

The down side is that my other hip has started down the road of the first ? significantly aggravated during rehab physio! Never had any pain in this hip pre-op! BUT, I am now confident that there is a method of resolving this issue. What concerns me is the long-term issue. I suspect it is best to ?sort it? by surgery now rather than live with the pain as long as possible. Having said that, the surgical technique is advancing at an amazing rate. So, since I can live with the minor intermittent pain in the unop?ed hip, I am going to hold off on the op for 6-12 months. I will then also have more confidence that it really does work. Confidence is the key to post-surgery state of mind.

Finally, I cannot stress how important post operation rehab is. Even the best surgeons and their respective offices? are ineffective at ensuring the importance of this is made clear. Most physios have not heard of labrum tears, and rarely treated one. Trigger-point massage, which is very deep tissue massage has been very beneficial to me to sort out the new bum pains post surgery. Again, most physios don?t do this. I went to the physio for the Oxford United Football Club. A good way to find a top physio in any location.

Good Luck
Benn
PS I reckon I will surf again. Heading to Australia in a few weeks.

[HipMom]

Sam is doing outstanding - she is surfing and snowboarding in New Zealand - competed in Uni Snow Games in SlopeStyle and Boarder X and did great considering major surgery in March. She reports only minor soreness at times, but certainly nothing major. We are very pleased w/her results thus far. Best wishes to all of you and hopes that you have similar outcomes.:o

[Surfchick]

Benn - I think we emailed early in the year?

I am 22 weeks post op (re do hip scope).
My labrum had re torn and detached from the bone - it was anchored back into place - will find out how many etc in clinic 22nd October. I had bone removed this time from 9 - 12 oclock on operation note (from memory as I don't have the copy). This year was a traumatic tear - I know it was from physio last year but told it's from surfing and dancing!!
I had CAM FAI and a carpet lesion! lol.

2 weeks toe touch/non weight bearing
4 weeks partial weight bearing
2 weeks 1 crutch.

I am still off work but doing well considering. I was told to protect joint for 12 weeks - no squatting or twisting or heavy loading etc.

Hydro 2 x week and physio once
Then hydro stopped after 20 sessions then physio twice per week since.

I am told to protect for 6 months - no surfing, no mowing grass, no breast stroke.

I am getting a lot of trouble with iliopsoas spasm, muscle imbalances and poor posture, but working with it!!
My aim was to have the last surf lesson of year - end Oct as I have no friends to surf with.

Now I have a bad shoulder that feels like hip did - caused from job, crutches and front crawl! My surfing seems to be moving further away. My main aim is to get back to work.

Well done to your daughter, hip mom - she is an inspiration.

When I saw the registrar at 12 weeks post op - I was expecting more from my hip!! She said I was young and that was understandable - but was early days!

Surfchick:)

[HipMom]

Update - 7 months post surgery and Sam is doing incredibly well. Little to no hip pain - she's surfing and snowboarding in NZ and feels only minor aching after activity like running or overdoing it in cold water, but it subsides. We are very pleased w/the results.

[AMadrona]

This thread is to capture individual?s experiences post arthroscopy to ?repair? their acetabulum labrum/s.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DO post if your labrum has been stitched and/or anchored.

DO NOT post if your labrum has been debrided ? i.e. a section cut away and permanently removed from the body.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe many patients are benefiting from simple debridement of the labrum. However, I suspect, like me to date, many patients are NOT benefiting from stitching and anchoring of the labrum. Please post both positive and negative experiences here for the benefit of all. I for one want to know what I can expect.

My experiences
Age: 37
Sex: Male
Hip: RHS
Suspected cause of tear: Cam impingement
Surgical remedy for cause of tear: Bone removed on neck to ball
Nature of tear: ?1 to 5 ?o?clock?.
Detachment of base of labrum? ?Plastic anchor peg was used into bone?
Work done: stitches and anchors placed.
Recommended time on crutches post op: 2 weeks no load; 2 weeks part-load
Actual time on crutches: 2 weeks no load: 4 weeks part-load

Symptoms Pre-Operation
I had good strength and flexibility. The joint felt good on a day to day basis. I suffered in that I had no endurance. I had stopped doing long walks/stands and dancing. However, I could surf, breast-stroke swim, ride a bike (I used the good leg more). With household/work activities I was pain free most days. If I walked too far (1 mile) I would get pain in my groin. The pain would subside immediately I ceased activity. I experienced only a hint of sensation in my bum very infrequently.

Symptoms Post-Operation
After about 6 weeks I was able to stand and walk pain free. I still have reasonable flexibility. However, I had no endurance and could not stand/walk enough in each day to live and feed myself, let alone work. The pain came on in a similar location to pre-op ? in my groin. Physiotherapist was positive, as if I could stand pain free for 1 minute, then it was fatiguing muscles that allowed the joint to move to a painful position.

Solution: strengthen specific muscles. Two key exercises. One, bridge up hips when lying on back with knees bent ? lift good leg in air. My hips collapsed downwards on the unsupported side. Not so other way round. Two, stand near wall on bad leg, with knee of good leg bent move to touch wall and push away, whilst maintaining bodies distance from wall. Muscle in upper bum fatigued in 5 seconds. I worked on these exercises from 8 until 12 weeks. Over this time I was able to bridge well (re-recruiting unused muscle) and achieve good stamina against wall. In line with this, I was pain free and venturing on 500m walks. Very exciting, especially as I was concerned as to whether I would walk again at 4 weeks!

Then at 13 weeks whilst doing the ?standing against the wall? exercise, I noticed a slight something (nothing?) in my groin and maybe a bit of heat. There was no excessive loading ? I had done same exercise 100?s of times. The next day, it felt different, unlike ever before. Pain in bum and down inside of leg ? hurts most of the time, esp. when sitting. Joint instills no confidence and have stopped all unnecessary activity other than swimming with my arms to keep me sane. I am not on any medication for pain. I can live with pain, so long I am in the process of resolving its cause!

It is clear to me that something significant has changed in my hip joint at about 13 weeks. I have never been so scared, not even when I was held underwater by my surfboard lease snagging on the reef, nature trying to drown me. As it currently stands I am finding it hard to see how I can live my life, I am in far deeper water now. Enough. I welcome your replies/postings on this thread.

Benn

Benn and others, I have just discovered this forum and I don't know if I am posting correctly, so I apologize! I have just been diagnosed with a "small focus of labral detachment involving the anterior-superior aspect of the right hip labrum. The remainder of the labrum is normal." I have been having groin and hip pain that won't go away (right hip), as well as some right ab pain. I am 47. I was teaching dance twice a week and playing on a tennis team. Now I am hardly doing anything. Maybe 15 minutes on a stationary bike and some stretching, a few exercises on the ball and some resistance exercises with bands. Was originally disagnosed as "pulled muscles." How have you recovered? Do you recommend labral reattachment? Are you back to your old activities? What do you recommend I do to stay fit during this transition time? I can't talk to my doctor for a week because he is on vacation. He is not, however a surgeon. Does anyone have any recommendations for surgeons in Seattle, Washington? What should I ask them?

Any info. would be appreciated.

bruceandandra@comcast.net

[soccermom]

you may want to try yahoo's fai hipgroup for a recommendation for a hip surgeon in the US. i am in st. louis and use clohisy. in colorado i know phillipon? is excellent. kelly in ny area...but i don't know about seattle. this site is mostly aussie and new zealand...but i have found the people on this site the most helpful to discuss issue with. the yahoo site is also good..but this one is a bit more active with information.

i have had 2 hipscopes for labral tears. the first was just a tear debridement...the second was on the other hip and the tear was addressed as well as the underlying problem..fai. now i need to have my first hip redone as the first surgeon did not address the fai and it has retorn.

my advice...pick a surgeon who is good with hipscopes as well as understands the pathology of hip dysplasia and fai. don't just go to anyone. the other bit of advice...if you have this fixed...recovery is a long slow process...but possible. it takes a good 6-9 mos to see the real results.

soccermom

[missiongirl]

AMadrona you could try looking at biomet.com, FYI they are all oxford trained ortho's for all the states with profiles. I live in the GVR of Vancouver BC Canada and am getting my surgery done there. I just happen to be going to UBC next week to fill out my paperwork to book my surg date. If I happen to get to see the surgeon (I have met with him previously) would you like me to ask if he knows of any good artho hip surg's in Seattle? I know my surg did some training in the States and our cities are somewhat connected.

[AMadrona]

AMadrona you could try looking at biomet.com, FYI they are all oxford trained ortho's for all the states with profiles. I live in the GVR of Vancouver BC Canada and am getting my surgery done there. I just happen to be going to UBC next week to fill out my paperwork to book my surg date. If I happen to get to see the surgeon (I have met with him previously) would you like me to ask if he knows of any good artho hip surg's in Seattle? I know my surg did some training in the States and our cities are somewhat connected.


missiongirl, I would so greatly appreciate if you could ask your surgeon if he knows of any good hip surg's in seattle. the doctor i saw sees only a couple a year. A dr. Bruckner in Bellevue Washington was mentioned, but when I looked at his Web site i was skeptical. good luck with your surgery!! AMadrona

[missiongirl]

I saw the surgeon on Thursday, i didn't hear back from you before it so I didn't ask - sorry! My physiatrist didn't know where to send me either. I did internet searches & I called actual hospitals (took a lot of leg work & patience) to get mine and sift through that. I hit pay dirt by inquiring at a teaching hospital & calling a private clinic $. It turned out my surgeon is an assistant prof at UBC public hospital and works out of a private $ clinic too. I then asked a friend of a friend who is a nurse to ask orthopedic doc's at her reg hosp who they suggested too - I called everywhere. What a lot of work but it paid off!! Got 2 constant names, both on my acquired list.

I have another surg end of May for another issue so I am told I have to wait until Aug or Sept for hip surg. I have no idea when I will be seeing surg again - maybe surgery day, I wish I could have asked him for you. I went to a place called Specialist Referral Clinic in Van Canada (604) 737-7464 it is full of specialist of all kinds but you also have to $ to see them, like $550- Seattles a major centre, I can't see why you'd have to go to Bellevue WA - seems backwards rite? Doesn't Seattle having a childrens orth teaching hosp? I think so, maybe that would be a good place to start inquiring. Lemme know how you do.

[AMadrona]

Hi Missiongirl,
It took me awhile to remember how to find where I posted my questions, which was why I was delayed in responding! I'm new to this kind of communication. . .Thanks for all your good suggestions and phone numbers. I am seeing one surgeon in two weeks recommended by a friend of mine who used to be in the medical field. i am going to have him carefully go over my mri, which i didn't have the physiatrist do. i was too upset when i asked him where the tear was, and he said in the front of the hip, which is where i have been having problems (in addition to the side of the hip, butt muscles - although he contributed those to tendinitis in my hamstring). i haven't told my dance class i will likely need to stop teaching. i apologize if you have already put this on the forum, but how long have you been experiencing pain (and where) and how long did you wait before deciding to get surgery? What kind of activities are you doing now? I found a study that said labral tears/detachments are very common and that a lot of people don't have symptoms. Thanks for sharing you experience and your support.

[missiongirl]

My story:

I have had pain for 2 yrs (I'm 38). I was in good shape and physio kept saying I had core strength issues - so not true. I finally got into see a physiatrist and he said I had piriformus syndrome (certain butt muscles) - so lots of squats and such..... that went on for almost a year almost killed me! I did active release for that with my chiro too - which felt good. I kept doing yoga/pilates, cycling, and slowly I just deteriorated to the point I could hardly move or sleep, they put me on so many diff drugs, neurontin for one (which slurred my speech and more). The physiatrist kept saying I had to work harder and I was a tired mess by this point, couldn't sleep cause the pain was so bad. I hired a personal trainer even to help me (I'm not rich nor poor) and it was clear that something was wrong I felt so pathetic. All the doc's wanted to do was give me drugs - which, upset me cause they weren't working and I try very hard to keep my body clean from that sorta thing. I kept searching the net and finally I found a doctor site (can't remember it now darn) and it broke down symptoms - mine fit labral tear. I went to the physi and told him that and asked for the mri, paid for the mri so I wouldn't have to wait 6 months & it confirmed it. Then he just left me with my diagnosis and seemed to wash his hands of me, he seemed sheepish that he didnt' find it himself. So off I went on my quest for a surgeon. Finally an answer.

My tear is also in the front of my rite hip. Same symptoms as your, front of hip, side, hamstrings, butt rite side, tailbone pain even made it's way down to ankles whole leg was stiff, then carried all the way up rite side of my body to neck (that symptom comes & goes, it depends on how long a pain cycle I go through), also severe groin pain & swelling. I work with special needs kids & I was squatting, running, on my knees, bending (I'm tall 5'10), sitting in tiny chairs (kindergarten) argh, it was hard on me. I finally had to stop working which super upset me I luv it. My surg kept sending me to other specialist as he felt I had more going on then just the tear as I have other symptoms, which I found out in Feb that I do, I have huge fibroids and they are doing nasty things to me all on my rite side as well so I'm having surgery for that next month which is why I have to wait for the hip surg now. Yes my surgeon said that lots of people have labral tears and don't know it or give them grief - well how come ours do - unable to answer that!? I have lots of clicking and catching especially when bending/squatting down, I can't even clean the bathtub or I'm down for a day. I think the length of time before receiving my diagnosis (Oct'07) really hindered me as I physically went downhill with the combination of my other problem-which my surgeon thinks I"ll actually feel 40% better after getting a hysterectomy (oh goodie, & I have no kids either but.......c'est la vie). To be honest just knowing I"ll be feeling better in the future and can have a life again I'm feeling more grateful than anything.

As for activities I do strangley, a lot of walking & some matt yoga/pilates moves. I am/was a swimmer but I am having difficulty with that, I will resume after the hyster. I get very tired from the meds I am on for the female issue & am unable to take many narcotics due to that problem, so relief does not come easy for me. Mentally it challenges me as all of my fav activities & hobbies involve physical activities, that's all i want to do. My hip surg said that recovery really depends on what all needs to be done. He said I will be on crutches any where from 2 - 8 weeks. I have good range of motion, probably from the years of pilates/yoga so as a dancer you have excellent muscle tone & flexability and personally I think that will really give you an advantage during recuperation.

It is upsetting to find out one cannot do their job or what they love. This is just my opinion but, I don't & wont' find that acceptable & I know I'll make it happen and do everything I can to ensure it does. There will be setbacks, so used to them, but I'm a fighter and to whatever capacity I will kick sum butt and get back to living & doing what I luv!!!!!

Excuse my long note but I just thought I'd share my whole story & where my heads at LOL!!

[AMadrona]

Dear Missiongirl,
Thank you so much for sharing your story. It sounds a lot like mine! Did you start doing the aggressive PT after having pain for two years or was that part of the two years? I have been having deep pain in my upper right glut for about two years - manageable. Did lots of stretching. Went to a physiatrist twice and each time he said I needed to strengthen my hip flexors. I started adding lunges to my workouts (which I also stepped up), although I think it was the wobble board that eventually did me in:) The physiastrist also didn't know what to do with me after he shared the results of my MRI last week. He offered cortisone and prescription anti inflammatories. I said no to both. He said it all might heal up if I give it more rest. I asked him how many of his patients with torn labrals healed completely. He hedged and said "well, most people are pretty bad off by the time they see me." I think maybe one of his patients was able to return to regular activity, but that might not have been much. How active were you when your labral tore? Do you know what triggered it? I had one adjustment in my SI joint and I was good as new but after a couple of days doing my regular activities (dance, tennis, gym) I was in really bad shape. Because I didn't have the MRI right away the PTs were pretty much telling me to do whatever I wanted along with a bunch of other exercises and to continue doing lunges. . .I started getting the groin/front of the hip pain a couple weeks ago. Very weird feeling. I have to be careful not to lift anything. I had my husband go grocery shopping with me today just to carry the groceries since I irritated bringing up the laundry from downstairs yesterday.

Now I'm just on the exercise bike for about 25 minutes. I've started swimming (20 easy laps) and that seems to be OK. I also stretch twice a day, but only when I'm warm.

How much are you exercising a day? You mentioned you are a swimmer. Breaststroke doesn't seem to bother me, but then again, I'm trying not to use my legs much. I'm just floating along.. .

When did your hip start clicking? Mine doesn't click. I'm sure having to squat so much at your job didn't help anything heal.

What did your MRI say? Did yours mention an FAI? Mine did not but I want to be sure and ask the surgeon about it when I see him in two weeks. DId your MRI say a torn or detached labral? I'm wondering if they feel different~ I'm also curious where mine exactly is in front of the hip. Do you know exactly where yours is? I was too distraught to ask exactly where the detachment is - he just said in the front of the hip. Sometimes I feel pain right in my inner thigh, by my pubic bone and other times farther to the right by the side of my hip. But there is a kind of icky feeling all along the panty line, if you know what I mean.

Do you know if the labral can heal and reattach to the rim of the hip socket?

I'm sorry about your female issues. I had two fybroids removed. I have another one but I guess they say it shouldn't be causing me problems because of its locations. Be sure and check your ferritin (iron stores). Mine were really low. You probably should be on an iron supplement, particularly if you are going in for surgery. I was so tired until another doctor discovered how low my ferritin was. You will feel so much better once you are all healed from that surgery.

I'm going in for surgery Tuesday on a tooth. It's such a drag. I'll be crippled and toothless!

[missiongirl]

I was quite physically active but I have no idea how I tore it - wish i knew! I did the pt during the 2 years. It seemed my whole life revolved around going to work and trying to work out to get better - that's it! I just slowly deteriorated and had to do less & less over time. The lunges were the worst. I felt better when I rested, then started up again. When that severe pain comes I have learned it's best to rest for a few days and use heat & ice (ice rocks!) and antiinflam's - they help! Celebrex works well. My daily exercise varies depending on the pain. Usually it's just walking and some matt exercises now. I have gone really down hill the past 3 months, but it's very cyclical. Due to the heaviness in my abdoman & pelivs and the sore hip I get so tired and find swimming hard now. I think that will change after the hyster. I feel somewhat shafted that I am now left not able to do much of anything when I used to be in good shape, I would have been so much better off for recovery if they had caught this sooner - along with my fibroids. I will keep up on the iron 4 sure - am the spinach queen! I agree I will feel better after the hyster and am really hoping that i will be able to do more physically after it for a bit to get ready for the hip surg - my surg thinks so. It's important to keep moving, I'm just going through a bad cycle rite now (for about a month).

Yes, same groin pantyline issue, try icing it and laying flat. I can't recall when it started clicking it's been so long.

My MRI said: a hyperintensity in the anterosuperior acetabular labarum consistant with a labral tear. No seperation of the labrum is identified. The articular cartiledge of the femoral head and acetabulum demonstrates no defects. I had xrays done after it for the hip surg in odd positions as well. So there has been no mention of FAI.

I had a marcaine injection in my hip by a radiologist. My tear showed up on the ultrasound plain as day. I wonder why they just didn't do that instead of going through the MRI. I am still new to this whole thing myself. I asked about it healing on it's own & the response i got was no - why -dunno LOL.

If it makes you feel better I understand the grocery & laundry challenges. This comes & goes for me. This is when I took a rest & anti inflams. There are many cycles to this for me anyway, and I am able to resume easy and more difficult activities without much of a thought.

Good luck with the tooth - oh man!! Yes I so get it, it' feels so pathetic you can only laugh about it LOL!!!

[AMadrona]

Hi Missiongirl, thank you so much for your info. sounds like you had a much better mri than I did. mine didn't mention looking at the femoral head. from what i've been reading, that is important to note (if there are irregularities). yours sounds like it is in good shape. my life sounds like yours, just getting through the day without a lot of pain and minimal exercise to keep the circulation/try to feel better. when is your hyster?

yes, it does feel so pathetic. was any arthritis noted in your mri? does your surgeon know exactly what he is going to do? Debride, stich, sew, staple:) or what? My doctor said something about the procedure involving taking the hip socket apart or something like that. Hell, maybe I should just get an artificial hip! I've noticed that seems like it comes about 10 years after the arthroscope. . . .yes, all we can do is laugh!!! LOL :)

[missiongirl]

My hyster is booked for May 28th - wish it was sooner but oh well it's better than June 28LOL!!

Umm, no my MRI didn't mention arthritis on it. I did have a bone scan done early in the game and it was noted that i had some in my hips. It's never bothered me and it's not rheum arthritis so I'm not at all concerned cause I made them check me for that. BTW I paid for my MRI so I dont' know if that made a difference in the content. And yeah I do feel lucky my bones are looking good - hey a plus! And you?

Surg mentioned sewing it but in the end he also said, I won't know until I get in there just how much will need to be done (removing loose particles, shaving the labrum -yaaa deee yaaa dee ya da). I can see why he says that and he hasn't steered me wrong so far. I'm trusting he is still keeping my best interest in mind - so we'll have to see what's what. I keep hearing he's awesome and I'm lucky. I'm feeling good about it all. Yeah he said they will have to dislocate the hip and ssstttretch - to get in there, makes sense & bet it makes for sore muscles - whateva what's NEW LOL?!!.

I know i keep having visions of myself as those really old ladies you see walking down the street all gibbled the kind ya think what in the hell happened to that old gal it just isn't right LOL?!! Seriously though! Not me - NOT ME!!!

I'm off to Whistler for a couple days for a break ie: hot tub, steam room, and rest - these were my conditions with hubbie - such a bummer i can't ski! Take care:)

[focus_911]

My hyster is booked for May 28th - wish it was sooner but oh well it's better than June 28LOL!!

Umm, no my MRI didn't mention arthritis on it. I did have a bone scan done early in the game and it was noted that i had some in my hips. It's never bothered me and it's not rheum arthritis so I'm not at all concerned cause I made them check me for that. BTW I paid for my MRI so I dont' know if that made a difference in the content. And yeah I do feel lucky my bones are looking good - hey a plus! And you?

Surg mentioned sewing it but in the end he also said, I won't know until I get in there just how much will need to be done (removing loose particles, shaving the labrum -yaaa deee yaaa dee ya da). I can see why he says that and he hasn't steered me wrong so far. I'm trusting he is still keeping my best interest in mind - so we'll have to see what's what. I keep hearing he's awesome and I'm lucky. I'm feeling good about it all. Yeah he said they will have to dislocate the hip and ssstttretch - to get in there, makes sense & bet it makes for sore muscles - whateva what's NEW LOL?!!.

I know i keep having visions of myself as those really old ladies you see walking down the street all gibbled the kind ya think what in the hell happened to that old gal it just isn't right LOL?!! Seriously though! Not me - NOT ME!!!

I'm off to Whistler for a couple days for a break ie: hot tub, steam room, and rest - these were my conditions with hubbie - such a bummer i can't ski! Take care:)

What a refreshing post! I love your attitude. Many of the forumers here to support each other and try to share experiences from injuries to procedures done to correct those injuries and it's so refreshing to hear someone keep such a great attitude despite current conditions.

Keep positive, it goes a long way-a lot more than what you might think. From your post you're in good hands- save me a spot on your trip:D

[AMadrona]

What a refreshing post! I love your attitude. Many of the forumers here to support each other and try to share experiences from injuries to procedures done to correct those injuries and it's so refreshing to hear someone keep such a great attitude despite current conditions.

Keep positive, it goes a long way-a lot more than what you might think. From your post you're in good hands- save me a spot on your trip:D

Dear Missiongirl,
Just had my ortho surgery - lots of good drugs! I"m supposed to be heading up a big press event at work tomorrow -big announcement. Will have to keep my lower lip up to cover that gap until the rest of the work gets done. . .Four months from now!! I have something called a "Flipper" I can wear:) To be honest, I would probably rather lose two teeth than have this damn hip problem. Anyway, I agree with the last comment - you are are incredibly positive andwe all really appreciate it! I'm glad you are off to Whistler where you will enjoy the hot tubs, massages, and other luxuries that we sports fanatics never had time for before we were injured! I've been trying to hot tub and stretch in a sauna at a local club every other day, which has been very theraputic. This whole thing is very cyclical, as you said and it is helpful to hear how you have been able to manage. I know it will take me awhile to figure out/get comfortable with a short and long term plan, depending on how I feel. Thanks to this forum, and sharing your story, I am definitely not going to do anything stupid until I figure this out for myself. My MRI said no significant osteoarthritis and that the hip alignment was anatomic bilaterally and there was no evidence of fracture. I don't know exactly what all that means. But I will be prepared to ask all those questions when I see the surgeon.
Take care, and thanks again. I'll be in touch! Remember that eating spinach (believe it or not), lessens the absorption of the iron supplements. Calcium (dairy) does also.

AMadrona

[missiongirl]

Whistler was amazing. I almost cried it felt so good to sit outside and enjoy the hottub in the mountains. I felt like I was part of life, haven't had that feeling in sooo long - hooray!! It was super inspirational too to see all the skiers knowing that in the future I can be an active participant of that scene again as well. It puts it into perspective that this, though it's been a long haul & not over, is merely a chapter or 2 not the whole novel of my life.

Thanks guys for the positive words. To hear everyone's feelings of patheticness and fighting to get well helps me feel I'm not sitting on the bench alone, therefore, I'm just benched with my comrades not kicked off the team - get what I mean?

Did some reading up on the spinach & iron & calcium & vit C -thanks for that! I was doing it backa**ward LOL!! too funny I baked some molasses bread yesterday - me!! I can't make a cake mix on a good day - I have to high 5 myself for that!! Hey AMadrona your MRI sounds positive!!!! Sometimes when I go into the surg office I have no idea what I am even asking. I found out is better to ask a stupid ? and appear clueless than be clueless right!! How did ya do with your announcemnt? Well think of it this way,the smile would certainly draw attention to the matter.

Focus_911 - I had totally had enough fun for all of us at Whistler :). BTW, ya Alberta does have an awesome healthcare system & traffic system too - I think the 2010 olympics are going to have it's road challenges (in my opinion) but we'll pull it together. But I must say, BC is an amazing place to live & be as well I luv it here!

[AMadrona]

Whistler was amazing. I almost cried it felt so good to sit outside and enjoy the hottub in the mountains. I felt like I was part of life, haven't had that feeling in sooo long - hooray!! It was super inspirational too to see all the skiers knowing that in the future I can be an active participant of that scene again as well. It puts it into perspective that this, though it's been a long haul & not over, is merely a chapter or 2 not the whole novel of my life.

Thanks guys for the positive words. To hear everyone's feelings of patheticness and fighting to get well helps me feel I'm not sitting on the bench alone, therefore, I'm just benched with my comrades not kicked off the team - get what I mean?

Did some reading up on the spinach & iron & calcium & vit C -thanks for that! I was doing it backa**ward LOL!! too funny I baked some molasses bread yesterday - me!! I can't make a cake mix on a good day - I have to high 5 myself for that!! Hey AMadrona your MRI sounds positive!!!! Sometimes when I go into the surg office I have no idea what I am even asking. I found out is better to ask a stupid ? and appear clueless than be clueless right!! How did ya do with your announcemnt? Well think of it this way,the smile would certainly draw attention to the matter.

Focus_911 - I had totally had enough fun for all of us at Whistler :). BTW, ya Alberta does have an awesome healthcare system & traffic system too - I think the 2010 olympics are going to have it's road challenges (in my opinion) but we'll pull it together. But I must say, BC is an amazing place to live & be as well I luv it here!

Hi MissionGirl - Glad to hear you had such a great time at Whistler! I've been waiting for everything in my hip to calm down a bit so that my husband I can do a little walking in addition to some hot-tubbing. The hip actually feels better today, but probably because I'm home sick with a respiratory infection. I think my mind can only focus on one body problem at a time~ for the last two weeks it has been the tooth - or should I said the space that used to have the tooth! I've got something the surgeon gave me called a "flipper" that I put in so that people can't tell (ha, ha!) that I have a tooth missing. Although as I told a co-worker who is also very active, I'd probably rather lose two or three teeth and have impants than deal with this hip thing. Interestingly, I saw an orthopedic hip surgeon last week who wasn't sure he agreed with the radiologist on my MRI. He said there was some abnormal contrast in the anterior superior labrum, but he could not confirm there was a tear or detachment, although "there is indeed slight irregularity in this region." He was timing our visit (kept checking his watch) and was put off by my notebook full of information and questions. Although I was so rushed I only got the first two ones on my list answered. He was asking questioning my questions about how good the MRI was (did the dye get in everywhere, was this a good radiologist) . .interestingly, he was giving me a hard time about all that, but then essentially contradicted the radiologist.

He wants to give me an intra articular injection for both "diagnostic and therapeuticc" purposes. It would have Macaine and corticosteroid in it. I have had two cortisone injections in my right knee and took some oral steroids years ago for my shoulder and I've been told you really don't want to inject cortisone in the joint.

Have you had the injection or do you have any opinion on this? I honestly don't know what else could be causing my discomfort if it's not a tear and I don't know how good the MRI was. I was afraid to ask him how many torn labrums he's seen or repaired. His PA that he sent in to do mop up didn't seem to know, although he "thought" he saw about 20 or 30 torn labrums a year. Wasn't sure if he repaired them. I'm going to have another radiologist who is more experienced at the place I got my MRI done, do a review as well to see what he sees. I just don't think very many doctors see tears or know what they look like. A hockey player from Seattle contacted me after seeing my post and he is seeing the doctor in Bellevue, Dr. Bruckner and has scheduled surgery for July. I also got an e-mail from a women in Portland about a doctor who repaired labrums in both hips. She seems pleased with her surgery, which was done last year.

How are you doing???

[missiongirl]

Hi it's great to hear from you! I'm doing the same thing as you - laying about the house with the respiratory/flue whatever else in on the table with this infection LOL!! Hello it's been 2 weeks of this thing - argh! Thank goodness, the rest does wonders for the hip or I'd be so mad! Well, another thing we can laugh about cause it's just so annoyingly hilarious! Hmm I wear a mouthguard so I"ll wear it in lou of the flipper for ya!

The appt was disappointing hey, especially when one had been waiting so anxiously - bugger. My surg did that watch checking to me one day too, last appt of the day, won't do that again. I felt like I didn't count that day!! I give you kudos for thinking of going back to another radiologist to review your MRI again - really smart are my thoughts. It's awesome you received that info from the hockey player & the other lady. I wouldn't give you advice here cause what do I know - really though!! What about just getting a consult with Dr. Bruckner and see what you think? You could keep the other guy in idle while you do so (I've done this on this journey and it feels good). Your present surgeon could be good so you could keep him around. What I find interesting is if the hockey player is near professional, he may have better contacts for who's the guy to see for these things - like good inside info which is golden. That would be my reason to check him out. I looked Dr. B. up and he sounds like he is credible & was rated as one of Seattles(area) best doc's twice so that's encouraging, weird it's outta town. But you have to do what feels rite ya know, and some appt's just suck and leave ya feeling like a side of beef in a slaughter house. Well I've felt that way many times in the last 2 years anyway!!!! Don't mind me I've been really tired, not down, just kinda have bimbo-itis with this cold LOL!

About that injection - I did have a marcaine injection but I didn't have the steroid with it (and I've heard the same thing with the steroid). It wasn't painful in the least either. They used an ultrasound(?) to guide the injection into my hip. Honestly it was the first time I ever clearly saw my labral tear. Mine was also for diagnostic and therapeutic reasons. My surg wanted to make sure the pain was actually coming from this region. It lasted about 10 hrs I kept a pain journal every 1/2 hr (sometimes 15min) and did things like bending, sitting walking, twisting - ya know moving....things I have a hard time doing - take advantage of doing stuff is my advice if you get it done LOL!!

Otherwise I'm just tired from this cold & my lupron shots for the fibroids, I nap after being up 4 hrs, but...it's not all bad, I laugh at myself for how amused I can keep myself. I celebrated my hubbies birthday & 2 friends & out for more BD fun tomorrow - luv those never-ending birthdays - yeah!! Glad you kept in touch and hope to hear how things play out in this - get better soon!!!

[AMadrona]

Hi it's great to hear from you! I'm doing the same thing as you - laying about the house with the respiratory/flue whatever else in on the table with this infection LOL!! Hello it's been 2 weeks of this thing - argh! Thank goodness, the rest does wonders for the hip or I'd be so mad! Well, another thing we can laugh about cause it's just so annoyingly hilarious! Hmm I wear a mouthguard so I"ll wear it in lou of the flipper for ya!

The appt was disappointing hey, especially when one had been waiting so anxiously - bugger. My surg did that watch checking to me one day too, last appt of the day, won't do that again. I felt like I didn't count that day!! I give you kudos for thinking of going back to another radiologist to review your MRI again - really smart are my thoughts. It's awesome you received that info from the hockey player & the other lady. I wouldn't give you advice here cause what do I know - really though!! What about just getting a consult with Dr. Bruckner and see what you think? You could keep the other guy in idle while you do so (I've done this on this journey and it feels good). Your present surgeon could be good so you could keep him around. What I find interesting is if the hockey player is near professional, he may have better contacts for who's the guy to see for these things - like good inside info which is golden. That would be my reason to check him out. I looked Dr. B. up and he sounds like he is credible & was rated as one of Seattles(area) best doc's twice so that's encouraging, weird it's outta town. But you have to do what feels rite ya know, and some appt's just suck and leave ya feeling like a side of beef in a slaughter house. Well I've felt that way many times in the last 2 years anyway!!!! Don't mind me I've been really tired, not down, just kinda have bimbo-itis with this cold LOL!

About that injection - I did have a marcaine injection but I didn't have the steroid with it (and I've heard the same thing with the steroid). It wasn't painful in the least either. They used an ultrasound(?) to guide the injection into my hip. Honestly it was the first time I ever clearly saw my labral tear. Mine was also for diagnostic and therapeutic reasons. My surg wanted to make sure the pain was actually coming from this region. It lasted about 10 hrs I kept a pain journal every 1/2 hr (sometimes 15min) and did things like bending, sitting walking, twisting - ya know moving....things I have a hard time doing - take advantage of doing stuff is my advice if you get it done LOL!!

Otherwise I'm just tired from this cold & my lupron shots for the fibroids, I nap after being up 4 hrs, but...it's not all bad, I laugh at myself for how amused I can keep myself. I celebrated my hubbies birthday & 2 friends & out for more BD fun tomorrow - luv those never-ending birthdays - yeah!! Glad you kept in touch and hope to hear how things play out in this - get better soon!!!

Hi Missiongirl,
So nice to hear from you. I love your sense of humor! I am home sick again. I can't breath today. I guess all we can do is laugh ~ Hope you have some nice tall drinks celebrating your hubby's b-day. I had one last night watching the Seattle Mariners baseball team blow another lead. . . Thanks for the info. on your injection. It sounds like I CAN have it done without the poison. If your injectiondidn't have a steroid in it, how did the doctor know where the pain was coming from? I thought that if you put the steroid in the joint, and you feel better, then the pain is somewhere in the joint -intra something. And if you don't feel better, then it is outside the joint- probably muscular or something. I didn't think Marcaine was something that relieved pain, but I could be wrong. Let me know. The doctor didn't mention being able to see a tear so clearly with that procedure. That definitely would make me want to get it if I had it done the way you did.

I keep a pain journal every day to try to figure out what activities make my symptoms worse.

Why do you call yourelf Missiongirl?

[AMadrona]

Hi Missiongirl,
So nice to hear from you. I love your sense of humor! I am home sick again. I can't breath today. I guess all we can do is laugh ~ Hope you have some nice tall drinks celebrating your hubby's b-day. I had one last night watching the Seattle Mariners baseball team blow another lead. . . Thanks for the info. on your injection. It sounds like I CAN have it done without the poison. If your injectiondidn't have a steroid in it, how did the doctor know where the pain was coming from? I thought that if you put the steroid in the joint, and you feel better, then the pain is somewhere in the joint -intra something. And if you don't feel better, then it is outside the joint- probably muscular or something. I didn't think Marcaine was something that relieved pain, but I could be wrong. Let me know. The doctor didn't mention being able to see a tear so clearly with that procedure. That definitely would make me want to get it if I had it done the way you did.

I keep a pain journal every day to try to figure out what activities make my symptoms worse.

Why do you call yourelf Missiongirl?

Is it because you are on a mission to get all better?

[missiongirl]

I call myself MG for 2 reasons 1: I am sooo on a mission to get my health back & 2: Because I live in Mission (directly across Fraser river from Abbotsford):) I like the dual meanings - I was entertaining myself again LOL!! We must find ways to do so.

Here is what they say about Marcaine - aka Bupivacaine:
Bupivacaine is indicated for local anaesthesia including infiltration, nerve block , epidural , and intrathecal anaesthesia. Bupivacaine often is administered by epidural injection before total hip arthroplasty . It also is commonly injected to surgical wound sites to reduce pain for up to 20 hours after the surgery. Sometimes, bupivacaine is co-administered with adrenaline to prolong the duration of its action, fentanyl for epidural analgesia , or glucose .

I didn't know i would be able to see my tear either. My radiologist was teaching someone how to go about doing the procedure so there was more chatting than usual I presume and the tech was pointing it out - I was all - I WANNA SEE!! I can't see it on my mri but there are no arrows pointing to it either rite?! I was able to grab the unit (for lack of a better word LOL) and put it rite on the spot where the tear is cause I have pain there - I enjoyed that appt. radiologist said I should get relief if from the injection if tear is the cause of the pain and I could expect to get close to that amount of relief if I had the arthroscopy done - the surg confirmed this when I went to see him. I had decent relief, the surg suspects the rest of my pain is stemming from my other health issue as it is pressing on things like my darn spine! sometimes I get a fist sized but flat lump I have to ice the heck out of. Does any of this help or am I rambling? I tend to type how i talk. That's great you are already doing the pain diary it will help your surgeon. I was doing it before being diagnosed here & there to try to determine what the heck was bringing on the pain - just fell into it.

So you are still layed up I'm feeling for you! I'm glad you had a tall delicious beverage to comfort you - boo hoo mmmm tasty. I just watched tv, it was a good tv nite - I am a huge survivor & ER fan they make me happy. Yes tonite I go out for a change for some fun, I'm looking forward to it a lot and I am starting to get over my cold. Will have a nap before attending so I don't turn into a pumpkin by 11pm. Speaking of naps I'm ready for one now - chat soon

[AMadrona]

I call myself MG for 2 reasons 1: I am sooo on a mission to get my health back & 2: Because I live in Mission (directly across Fraser river from Abbotsford):) I like the dual meanings - I was entertaining myself again LOL!! We must find ways to do so.

Here is what they say about Marcaine - aka Bupivacaine:
Bupivacaine is indicated for local anaesthesia including infiltration, nerve block , epidural , and intrathecal anaesthesia. Bupivacaine often is administered by epidural injection before total hip arthroplasty . It also is commonly injected to surgical wound sites to reduce pain for up to 20 hours after the surgery. Sometimes, bupivacaine is co-administered with adrenaline to prolong the duration of its action, fentanyl for epidural analgesia , or glucose .

I didn't know i would be able to see my tear either. My radiologist was teaching someone how to go about doing the procedure so there was more chatting than usual I presume and the tech was pointing it out - I was all - I WANNA SEE!! I can't see it on my mri but there are no arrows pointing to it either rite?! I was able to grab the unit (for lack of a better word LOL) and put it rite on the spot where the tear is cause I have pain there - I enjoyed that appt. radiologist said I should get relief if from the injection if tear is the cause of the pain and I could expect to get close to that amount of relief if I had the arthroscopy done - the surg confirmed this when I went to see him. I had decent relief, the surg suspects the rest of my pain is stemming from my other health issue as it is pressing on things like my darn spine! sometimes I get a fist sized but flat lump I have to ice the heck out of. Does any of this help or am I rambling? I tend to type how i talk. That's great you are already doing the pain diary it will help your surgeon. I was doing it before being diagnosed here & there to try to determine what the heck was bringing on the pain - just fell into it.

So you are still layed up I'm feeling for you! I'm glad you had a tall delicious beverage to comfort you - boo hoo mmmm tasty. I just watched tv, it was a good tv nite - I am a huge survivor & ER fan they make me happy. Yes tonite I go out for a change for some fun, I'm looking forward to it a lot and I am starting to get over my cold. Will have a nap before attending so I don't turn into a pumpkin by 11pm. Speaking of naps I'm ready for one now - chat soon

Happy Saturday!
How was the big night out? Hope your cold is better. I've got kleenex all over the house. I can't stop sneezing, or feeling like I'm gonna sneeze and then I don't. It's sunny today in Seattle, so I'm hoping to get out a bit. I used to watch ER when it first started. I had to stop watching it because it was on at 10 p.m. and inevidably during the show someone would have a heart attack and they would have to use those paddles to jump-start the heart. . . .I just couldn't sleep after those scenes.. . .I'd be grabbing my chest - my heart would start racing. Thanks for the info. on the maccaroni - Macaraine procedure. Very interesting. So the surgeon recommended doing it even though he saw the tear in the MRI? I'm guessing it was done just to confirm the MRI or better locate the tear for the surgery? I was told by the impatient doctor I saw, that my injection would be done at the MRI place and that the needle would go in the same place that they did the dye for the MRI. Do you know if that was what they did for your procedure? He he didn't mention anything about an ultrasound to guide the needle. I hate needles so I probably wouldn't want to look. I'd probably ask for another valium before the procedure. I would maybe mark up my hip though to make sure they were looking in all the right spots though:) Did the dye go to the side of your hip? Did they say the tear in the front was responsible for the pain in the butt (ha), side of the hip? Sorry for the 1,000 questions. It's all so perplexing to me and I SOO appreciate learning from your experience. The injection I had for my MRI made me practically jump off the table, so I'm not eager to get another one, but it sounds like it may be a better diagnostic procedure than the MRI. I just don't get what they see in the MRI vs. the ultrasound. . . Hope its sunny and beautiful in Mission today, chat soon, AMadrona

[missiongirl]

It was absolutely beautiful here today! I watched my hubby mow the lawn (I felt like a princess in her castle as this happens - or the laziest person alive lOL), chatted with neighbors, then off to this dam that has a trail and we went for a walk. I luved it sooo much looking at all the trees & water - it's a flat path and I am so grateful I am having a good hip day for a change. Had a fun dinner last nite with friends but the hip became terribly tired & crashed - oh well what's new?! Awesome the hip turned around today (funny how it does that all of a sudden - I'll take it)& awesome news - the cold is leaving my body!!! I went through so much kleenex it was disgusting so I really do feel for you :)

Really ER? Ya know I do get it though, when I found out in Feb I had to have my hyster I felt pretty bogged down with all my medical problems that I stopped watching anything medical for a few weeks, couldn't handle it. It felt too relevant to my life. I also stopped watching Oprah cause I just didn't need anything deep being in the thick of it. My husband turned me on to South Park & sadly don't judge Rock of Love cause it's just so that damn stupid & mindless (at this moment I feel such shame....head hangs down with cheezie smile). It's bent therapy but I needed to swing the mind all the way over to the other side to get it back to middle ground - it worked SO THERE LOL!!

Okay with the injection- yeah he did want me to have it even though he saw tear on the MRI. Remember he told me that lots of people have tears but they don't bother them? At that time my other medical prob had not been found - the fibroided enlarged uterus. Some of my pain/problems were not making complete sense with the tear cause they were additional. He had sent me to a lot of other doc's to hope to figure this out (which I ended up finding myself by accident - just like this darn injury!). He did the injection to see what my relief would be cause of my other symptoms & pain - cause I'm in a lot of it. I am a candidate for the arthroscopy having this under my belt. I paid for my MRI at a private clinic or I would have had to wait 6 -8months as I was seeing sports med doc at that time and requested MRI as I brought up the possibility of the tear. So I had that done in Abbotsford. Surg is in Van UBC Hospital & also marcaine injection. The MRI injection was on top of hip, was not painful for me at all and the doc who did it was impressed it didn't bother me - at that time I was working still and could barely feel anything but pain in my rite lower regions so it didn't fizz on me. My marcaine injection was at the top of my hip as well. He used the ultrasound to find my socket I guess and made marks on my hip & leg - they roamed around a bit with the unit. I don't like needles either so I looked at the walls but it was no problem at all - a breeze! Seriously, I'd bring Mentos instead of valium LOL but i won't think less of you!!!It makes ya ancy having to sign all these release documents just for an injection. It plays with the mind cause personally I admit I don't know diddly about any of this or really get how real the risks are - get what I mean? It was a pleasure going to that appt though cause I saw the tear myself crystal clear. The injection went so well & I had a good day hip day & could do some stuff, & the doc who administered it was so kind and informative & also his co-workers- a classy experience. I felt so taken care of and in the right hands, my surgeon has sent me to some really wonderful people and it's done me a world of good for my mind as well. I don't mind answering any of your ?'s at all that's what I think this forum is about - to share our experiences & to find people who know how you are feeling. It's been awesome for me. Oh, yes it's completely normal to have butt pain with this thing! BTW you'll most likely have your surg before me anyway so I'll be firing my ?'s at you before long:)

I hope you got a chance to enjoy sunny Seattle today - bet it was nice there too hey?! Get some coldfx if they sell it out there it saved my other butt! Later!

[focus_911]

I call myself MG for 2 reasons 1: I am sooo on a mission to get my health back & 2: Because I live in Mission (directly across Fraser river from Abbotsford):) I like the dual meanings - I was entertaining myself again LOL!! We must find ways to do so.

Here is what they say about Marcaine - aka Bupivacaine:
Bupivacaine is indicated for local anaesthesia including infiltration, nerve block , epidural , and intrathecal anaesthesia. Bupivacaine often is administered by epidural injection before total hip arthroplasty . It also is commonly injected to surgical wound sites to reduce pain for up to 20 hours after the surgery. Sometimes, bupivacaine is co-administered with adrenaline to prolong the duration of its action, fentanyl for epidural analgesia , or glucose .

I didn't know i would be able to see my tear either. My radiologist was teaching someone how to go about doing the procedure so there was more chatting than usual I presume and the tech was pointing it out - I was all - I WANNA SEE!! I can't see it on my mri but there are no arrows pointing to it either rite?! I was able to grab the unit (for lack of a better word LOL) and put it rite on the spot where the tear is cause I have pain there - I enjoyed that appt. radiologist said I should get relief if from the injection if tear is the cause of the pain and I could expect to get close to that amount of relief if I had the arthroscopy done - the surg confirmed this when I went to see him. I had decent relief, the surg suspects the rest of my pain is stemming from my other health issue as it is pressing on things like my darn spine! sometimes I get a fist sized but flat lump I have to ice the heck out of. Does any of this help or am I rambling? I tend to type how i talk. That's great you are already doing the pain diary it will help your surgeon. I was doing it before being diagnosed here & there to try to determine what the heck was bringing on the pain - just fell into it.

So you are still layed up I'm feeling for you! I'm glad you had a tall delicious beverage to comfort you - boo hoo mmmm tasty. I just watched tv, it was a good tv nite - I am a huge survivor & ER fan they make me happy. Yes tonite I go out for a change for some fun, I'm looking forward to it a lot and I am starting to get over my cold. Will have a nap before attending so I don't turn into a pumpkin by 11pm. Speaking of naps I'm ready for one now - chat soon

My kind of girl, I LOVE ER and used to be a huge fan of Survivor back in the day when the show started. After my PAO last year I discovered the fabulous show "Grey's Anatomy". Tho I missed most of the show because of my many drug induced naps, I really enjoyed those shows :D

[missiongirl]

Yes that's a good one too Ms Kelly. Though I'm not a regular follower I luv Sandra Oh! One thing I can't wrap my head around is their whole Mc Dreamie & Mc Steamie thing - hello Patrick D. just doesn't register on my dreamie scale so I'm constantly thinking I don't think so LOL! Survivor has had a few upsets this season so I've been LMAO! How's the recovery going anyway?

[focus_911]

Yes that's a good one too Ms Kelly. Though I'm not a regular follower I luv Sandra Oh! One thing I can't wrap my head around is their whole Mc Dreamie & Mc Steamie thing - hello Patrick D. just doesn't register on my dreamie scale so I'm constantly thinking I don't think so LOL! Survivor has had a few upsets this season so I've been LMAO! How's the recovery going anyway?

No! that man is gorgeous! The recovery hasnt started yet as I am waiting to go in for surgery. I got my pre-admission clinic phone call today and I guess I didnt pass all their questions lol, I now have to go in to the clinic itself and see the Internal Med. physician and get cleared by him. I'm sure all is well.

I will post it here once I know when I am going in. I know my surgeon is going on vacation during the first 3 weeks of May so it wont happen then for sure. I'm guessing June will be it.

[AMadrona]

Dear Missiongirl, thanks so much for the details on your injection and why they did it. I actually think I might have some other stuff going on too. I think I might have another fybroid and my right knee has been giving me trouble. Then there's the old flipper, it's tearing up the inside of my mouth. What next!!! I swear taking care of all these health issues is a full-time job. And my full-time job is more than full time these days. Fortunately I'm emerging out of my nasty cold - but I've managed to give it to half my staff though and my hubby, who I also watched mow the lawn this weekend!! He even planted a couple of new plants!! Still haven't heard from the second radiologist who was supposed to be back in the office on Monday and call me back. I'm very anxious to get another opinion. Will call again tomorrow. A student in my dance class has started teaching my classes and signs in as me. Very sweet. They all think I will be coming back soon. . .. It's so weird that some days part of my body feels kind of OK but nothing feels exactly right. Like I want so badly to run across the street before the "Walk" sign changes to "Don't Walk" but my body won't/can't go. It's very weird. Do you know about Yellow Point Lodge? It's this wonderful kind of summer camp for adults in Ladymith. My husband and I go ever year. We got a night's lodging as a wedding gift. It was the best gift we received. Had no idea what Yellow Point was all about. It was like heaven when we arrived. We go for 10 days in the middle of August each year. We see all the same people (mostly Canadians) every year. So what have you been up to? When it comes to TV, my favorites are 24, Prison Break and Seinfield. Rented Charlie Wilson's the other night. Was pretty good, but I"ll bet the book was better. So what have you been up to? How are you feeling? I hope you've had a whole series of good days!!! I think we'll all feel a lot better when spring arrives and we get some sun on our bones!

[missiongirl]

LOL!! It's like I'm in a race. I watch the lights turn yellow and I'm all revvved to cross the street. But, he bod just won't cooperate. I can't use the same judgement that I am use to. It scares the crap out of me somex too! The capability can change within a few blocks - how crazy is that! I So Get IT!

I hope that radiologist gets back to you soon too so you can figure out where to go from here. It's a pain to just put time in without a solid plan. I often had fantasies of saying I'll give you $1000 if you get this (whatever it was at the time) done for me so I can get my results sooner - too bad I'm not loaded cause it would be fun try!!!

Man I hope you don't have another fibroid, I soo wish that for you! How did you treat yours last time - did you get that shot in the leg with the pellets? I just received a lupron injection on Tues in my butt to try to shrink mine temp in hopes to have a less invasive hyster. My butt & back hurt like hell and go into spasms, then I take 3 hr naps since. 27 days & counting - cha ching!

No I haven't been to that lodge but it looks fabulous! Luv adult places & it looks gorgeously scenic,thanks for the great idea! I'll keep that in mind as we haven't planned our summer vaca yet as I don't know how I'm going to heal from hyster surg or feel. We usually have it all worked out but not this year! Last year we went to Cancun of all places & also rented a cottage in newport oregon - best summer of my life! We have considered going to Mexico again if I feel good enough or talked about going to the Island but hadn't decide if it was going to be Tofino or elsewhere. Hubby has a friend that owns a condo in Mazatlan, never been there so that is also on the table. I have to go to Alberta too this summer as my niece is getting married. I keep wondering if I'll end up doing nothing or everything - I hope the later!

I've had ok days but I seem to slag from the shots for a wee bit, but I have been better since I kicked the cold and have been getting out - hooray! I havent' seen Charlie Wilson's War, I'll rent it 4 sure when I'm recovering & maybe that 24 series as well cause I heard it's addicting and I missed the start of it so I'm thinking as I lay in bed it would amuse me perfectly - thanks for the idea!! I just watched Mr. Brooks - what a bent movie - luved it! As for Seinfeld - such a huge fan, it saved me during the writers strike. It never fails to cause me to LMAO!! You watched hubby mow too LOL?! & You've been planting?!!! I haven't even started that yet! My sister is coming from NVan next week and said she'd help me get it going with my 3yr old niece and her 2 month old - should be interesting LOL!! Maybe I'll just hit costco and call it a day!

[AMadrona]

LOL!! It's like I'm in a race. I watch the lights turn yellow and I'm all revvved to cross the street. But, he bod just won't cooperate. I can't use the same judgement that I am use to. It scares the crap out of me somex too! The capability can change within a few blocks - how crazy is that! I So Get IT!

I hope that radiologist gets back to you soon too so you can figure out where to go from here. It's a pain to just put time in without a solid plan. I often had fantasies of saying I'll give you $1000 if you get this (whatever it was at the time) done for me so I can get my results sooner - too bad I'm not loaded cause it would be fun try!!!

Man I hope you don't have another fibroid, I soo wish that for you! How did you treat yours last time - did you get that shot in the leg with the pellets? I just received a lupron injection on Tues in my butt to try to shrink mine temp in hopes to have a less invasive hyster. My butt & back hurt like hell and go into spasms, then I take 3 hr naps since. 27 days & counting - cha ching!

No I haven't been to that lodge but it looks fabulous! Luv adult places & it looks gorgeously scenic,thanks for the great idea! I'll keep that in mind as we haven't planned our summer vaca yet as I don't know how I'm going to heal from hyster surg or feel. We usually have it all worked out but not this year! Last year we went to Cancun of all places & also rented a cottage in newport oregon - best summer of my life! We have considered going to Mexico again if I feel good enough or talked about going to the Island but hadn't decide if it was going to be Tofino or elsewhere. Hubby has a friend that owns a condo in Mazatlan, never been there so that is also on the table. I have to go to Alberta too this summer as my niece is getting married. I keep wondering if I'll end up doing nothing or everything - I hope the later!

I've had ok days but I seem to slag from the shots for a wee bit, but I have been better since I kicked the cold and have been getting out - hooray! I havent' seen Charlie Wilson's War, I'll rent it 4 sure when I'm recovering & maybe that 24 series as well cause I heard it's addicting and I missed the start of it so I'm thinking as I lay in bed it would amuse me perfectly - thanks for the idea!! I just watched Mr. Brooks - what a bent movie - luved it! As for Seinfeld - such a huge fan, it saved me during the writers strike. It never fails to cause me to LMAO!! You watched hubby mow too LOL?! & You've been planting?!!! I haven't even started that yet! My sister is coming from NVan next week and said she'd help me get it going with my 3yr old niece and her 2 month old - should be interesting LOL!! Maybe I'll just hit costco and call it a day!

Hi Missiongirl!
Had a big work project all weekend so haven't been checking home e-mail in awhile. I have lots to report and share. First of all, I've NEVER heard of the injections you are getting for your fyboids. I am going to mention it to my doctor when I see her in two weeks. The way I've had mine treated is surgery. They have a little tube and they just cut it out. I think it depends on where they are as to how they are able to treat them. I know there is a newer treatment that involves putting radioactive seeds in them and it kills them. A radiologist does the pocedure and you don't have surgery. Here in the states, they just make you take oral hormones (f you don't want surgery) where it sounds like they are injecting you with the hormones directly into the fybroid. The oral hormones didn't do a damn thing for me, which is why I got the surgery. Was in a lot of pain. Cramps that nearly knocked me out. In fact, I remember not being able to sit up in my chair and I was bleeding through my chair at work. Thank goodness my boss insisted I see a doctor. She had an employee DIE from losing too much blood rom a similar problem. Sorry if this is getting too gross, but you said you watch ER so I figure you can handle it) Speaking of the differences in procedures in health care, when I asked about the injection in my hip - and whether they would be guiding the needle with an ultra sound -apparently we don't do that here in the states. I am going to ask the radiologist about it directly if he ever calls me back. The GOOD news on that, however, is that a woman who works at the place called to tell me he HADN't forgotten about me, but that he was convening a meeting with the original radiologist and the impatient doctor to discuss my case. He is apparently very thorough and will call me back, hopefully before I get any more problems, which leads me to my knee and today's physical therapy appointment. The front of my hip has actually been OK, as well as my hip, but my right knee has been feeling like someone has taken it and twisted it really hard!Ouch! So I've been walking about like a sea captain and decided to go to physical therapy to see what's going on since I've been so uncomfortable. Fortunately, I was able to see a PT who I really like, and hadn't her seen since this whole mess started. She nearly fell off her chair when I told her I hadn't played tennis or danced in two months (she knows how obsessive I am about exercise). She looked at my MRI report and said. "So what if you have a tear. Let me see you walk." So I walked, like a sea captain of course. She said my knees and ankles looked good, but my back/torso looked all screwed up. She said my hips were going all over the place. She made some adjustments to my SI joint, showed me how to do them at home when my hip/knee was hurting and lectured me about those small deep muscles in my pelvic core. I could do the exercises A + laying down, but failed MISERABLY doing them standing up. We practiced for 15 minutes having me do these exercises correctly standing up and walking, then shifting weight from one leg to another and bending one leg in a squat. VERY HARD. Takes a lot of concentration. She said I have great strength but no control with regard to those muscles. She said when those muscles are't working, particulary when I'm exercising, my body will draw from the hips, then the hamtrings and then the knee, to correct the imbalance. She said I will know right away if I have an imbalance when I pee- yes, when I pee. It will go to one side - the weaker side. She believes by learning to engage those muscles with muscle memory (takes doing thousands of these exercises), I will NOT engage the labral detachment because those muscles, as well a my glut muscles (I also need to work on those too), will do all the work. It was all very interesting.

As far as vacation spots, I would HIGHLY recommend YPL. Flat area to walk - miles of soft trail - beautiful salt water pool, great food - very relaxing. They have mountain bikes you can ride on the property. No cell phone, no locks on the doors. . .it is very hard to get into though, particularly the summer. My hub and I went to Maui last year in April, very relaxing oo, but a different kind of vacation. Found a great local fish market near our cond and had some of the best fish I've ever had. We have been the same about vacations this year too - we haven't gone anywhere because of all the health issues. We are in real need of a vacation. Definitety get 24 starting from Season 1. You will thank me. It is SO GOOD.You will be at the edge of your seat after every episode. You're hubby will love it. Take care and let me know how you are doing:)

[missiongirl]

Wow you do have a lot going on! That's awesome they called u back and will be going over the MRI in detail - you are being taken care of and it feels good hey! - That is so excellent for you! I really enjoyed what you shared about your physio appt. That is interesting especially the peeing thing lOL - but it helps to know these things rite? I was doing that same exercise standing up and having terrible problems performing it too. Arrrgh Matie..... that sea captain reference is both funnier then hell and so fitting LMAO!!! I think I got to the point that I was too weak and the muscles were a ball of tension cause I was still working and trying to do all this stuff. Let me know how you do with those. I've been so afraid to try again as I am very weak & tired rite now treating the fibroids - my days are up & down from 3's to 7's on the 1 - 10 scale. Maybe I'll do better after having those treated.

No I wasn't grossed out at all about the chair incidents - never are you kidding me - it's just what happens and we have to deal and we just do. I use to want to be a nurse, then I saw this guys arm fall of in an accident - changed my mind very fast. My friend had that procedure you were describing. They inject those pellets through the leg/groin area I think. It worked fabulous for her. She was laid up needing assistance for a few days and it wasn't easy recovery. But man did she ever spring back - holy cow! If I could I would have that, but I don't qualify due to - well the whole thing LOL!! Lupron is just to prepare for surgery, relieve blood loss and shrinks fibroids - they give ya a shot in the butt. I want to try the vaginal hyster instead of abdominal for easier recovery, you take it 3 months in advance of surgery. Puts ya in temporary menopause - wicked hot flashes, gained 8 lbs, and my skin looks like some meth-heads as I'm sooo pale that I went tanning on Monday to help myself not look like I'm trying to score as I go for a walk LOL!! Also I sometimes take 3 hr naps & have bizarre dreams. The first shot wasn't bad at all but this last one has been hard - but no period this month - a total bonus!!! 3 weeks to go for that surgery - hooray I'm sooo happy!! It's ridiculous how long people have to wait to get treated for these awful woman things & symptoms. I go for my pre-op appt next week Tues then I must get my hair done soon so I feel civilized.

My sister is coming with her new baby and 3.5 yr old today for a few days. We will have fun playing and getting silly as it will just be us girls - pj party with barbie & friends LOL!! Okay and some malibu rum to make it all come together!!

I will for sure look into YPL, I believe you & saw it on the net & I'm luvin it! I'm thinking I'll be all about relaxing & nature woman with all this. I'm so glad you mentioned 24 as I was telling my man that i needed a series to watch to keep me amused in bed, I go snake doing nothing and action movies/shows are my fav's. I must run - I hope you keep in touch and have great news come your way and that you are amusing yourself well!

[missiongirl]

AMadrona where in the heck are you? LOL!! Have you heard back regarding your MRI?

[soccermom]

So I scimmed through this post and I still have the question...does anyone know if repaired labrums hold up?
soccermom

[focus_911]

in my case, a detached labrum-yes, a labral tear-no. It will continue to retair until the cause of the tears is corrected.

[AMadrona]

AMadrona where in the heck are you? LOL!! Have you heard back regarding your MRI?

Hi there Missiongirl,
My work life has been very hectic and I haven't been getting home until late and my computer is soooo slowwwww to get going. I would be asleep by the time all the programs opened up. I am dying to take time off at work and rest but that's not an option right now. I had to sit through 7 hours straight of meetings on Monday and I swear I thought my hip/groin was going to explode. Was able to swim a few laps when I finally got home and stretched in a sauna and felt a lot better. I thought of you today when I was getting my ultrasound/sonogram. The technician seemed very pleased when she reported to me, "Only two fybroids and one polyp!" I told her she had excellent public relations skills. The doctor who reviewed the film didn't think any of these little things were causing the pain and discomfort in my groin/right side. He said for now, he didn' think any of the fyroids or polyp needed treatment. I guess we'll see when I meet with my gyno. I go in for the annual mamo tomorrow and then PT on Thursday. It's a full time job staying on top of all these appointments. I'm terrified of my appointment tomorrow because of what happened last time - left me in there for two hours and took hords of x-rays, waited for EVERYONE in the waiting room to be finished before bringing me in. It turned out to be a blood vessel and not cancer, but being that my mom had breast cancer, it was really scary. On to other body parts. Unfortunately, all the doctors who were going to conference about my case have been on vacation, including the radiologist who was going to gather all the info. He's not getting back until next week. In the meantime, I talked with the hockey player who saw the doctor in Bellevue who deals with labral tears. He said he seemd pretty confident about his skills and was going forward with the surgery in July. The bad news is that they discovered he has arthritis and will probably need an artificial hip in 10 years. I will be interested to see how his surgery goes and how he feels afterward. I've still been swimming and riding the stationary bike and thinking about the cortisone shot. I talked with someone at work who's dad is a doctor and didn't think the amount that they would put in would be all that bad and might make me feel a lot better. He also said that they worry about active people who get the shot going out and being overly active and making themselves worse. I think I will keep to a miminal activity level and not do the cortisone for now, although there are days if the shot was anywhere near me, I'd inject myself. . .Enough about me, how was the visit with your sister and your darling niece? What's Barbie wearing these days anyway? Barbie was just too much of a woman for me at that age. I had one, but was always a little uncomfortable playing with her. . .The most IMPORTANT question, however - how is the HAIRCUT??? There is nothing better than a good haircut or a new outfit to boost your spirits. In fact, I'm going to make an appointment tomorrow. The swimming has been making my hair kind of frizzy so I've been a little worried about getting the highlights, but I don't think I can go much longer with these dark roots. . . I've been thinking about your appointment on May 28. What time do you go in? Hope you've been getting some good rest, taking your iron, eating liver and watching some good shows - oh and drinking a lot of that nice rum you were talking about. In fact, I'm going to fix myself a little drinky in your honor. Let me know how you are doing, CHEERS:) AMadrona

[soccermom]

in my case, a detached labrum-yes, a labral tear-no. It will continue to retair until the cause of the tears is corrected.

so it sounds like a person would have pretty good luck if the labrum is anchored due to detachment. i am wondering how well tears that are too large to be debrided hold up if they are sutured back together....so now the fai has been treated so i shouldn't have further tears. but i am still curious how strong sutures are in that joint.....just from the load of the joint and the rotational movements of the hip.
thanks for the info

[missiongirl]

Well Hey Back AM :)

I figured you've been busy at work! It is hard to juggle work & the appt's and try to stay active - it's more than a fulltime gig it's like working OT every damn day lol - and kudo's for sitting through that meeting for 7 hours - ouch!!

Hope your mamo appt was waaay less eventful this time, yeah, I totally would be scared too and I'm especially sorry that your mom passed from BC. I bet is was a relief to just get it over with so I'm super happy for you!! Oh and I also hope for all good news at the gyn's - it sounds optimistic (lol according to the teckie!!!) so maybe the fibroids will be ok until you hit menopause and they'll shrink away - that is soooo my wish 4 u - it will happen I'm putting it out there!! My fibroid situation has worsened and I wound up in the gyn's office freaked rite the hell out!! I won't get into detail cause this forum is viewed by men also and it's really just quite that nasty that I have a hard time saying it or believing it LOL!! OMG! Any-whoo gyn told me to expect surg to be abdominal as my slim chances have dwindled further - BUGGER!! I'm in pain from this new situation and running on fumes so Wed can't come fast enough yet I'm getting more nervous as the days go by - so I managed another short shopping therapy session & have all I need sooo beeeaaam me up Scottie LOL!! I was supposed to go on a girlsgetaway to Osoyooos (sp?) this weekend but now I can't go due to this situation - so I lift my rum glass in drink in spirit - fk. OBTW - Barbie wears a lot of hoochie gear now - she even gets coin slot when she bends over - and the shoes - well they are so high she can't even walk in them without falling out of them LOL!!! I mostly liked to build houses for her and she had a surf van & we cruised solving crimes - apparently she's changed lol!!

Oh crap I have to run dinners ready - this is a good thing. Um stay in touch and hey do you have a pool at your house? If you do I am so coming after I am recovered!!!

So now you wait until these guys are back from holidays.....how annoying.....but on the briteside they will be refreshed and not annoyed LOL!! So do you think you will want to go to Bellevue to check out that doc or wait until hockeyplayer guy has his surgery?

[focus_911]

so it sounds like a person would have pretty good luck if the labrum is anchored due to detachment. i am wondering how well tears that are too large to be debrided hold up if they are sutured back together....so now the fai has been treated so i shouldn't have further tears. but i am still curious how strong sutures are in that joint.....just from the load of the joint and the rotational movements of the hip.
thanks for the info
I think, as in fractured bones, once you re-attach soft tissue or anything else back together it heals back as one again. That is the main purpose of the sutures. To put the labral back where it belongs so it can heal back to the bone surface. Once thats done, the sutures really no longer serve a purpose.

I am just 4 hours away from driving to the hospital for surgery. I will ask the surgeons and see what they say.

Once I'm well enough to make it back, I'll let you know.

[AMadrona]

Well Hey Back AM :)

I figured you've been busy at work! It is hard to juggle work & the appt's and try to stay active - it's more than a fulltime gig it's like working OT every damn day lol - and kudo's for sitting through that meeting for 7 hours - ouch!!

Hope your mamo appt was waaay less eventful this time, yeah, I totally would be scared too and I'm especially sorry that your mom passed from BC. I bet is was a relief to just get it over with so I'm super happy for you!! Oh and I also hope for all good news at the gyn's - it sounds optimistic (lol according to the teckie!!!) so maybe the fibroids will be ok until you hit menopause and they'll shrink away - that is soooo my wish 4 u - it will happen I'm putting it out there!! My fibroid situation has worsened and I wound up in the gyn's office freaked rite the hell out!! I won't get into detail cause this forum is viewed by men also and it's really just quite that nasty that I have a hard time saying it or believing it LOL!! OMG! Any-whoo gyn told me to expect surg to be abdominal as my slim chances have dwindled further - BUGGER!! I'm in pain from this new situation and running on fumes so Wed can't come fast enough yet I'm getting more nervous as the days go by - so I managed another short shopping therapy session & have all I need sooo beeeaaam me up Scottie LOL!! I was supposed to go on a girlsgetaway to Osoyooos (sp?) this weekend but now I can't go due to this situation - so I lift my rum glass in drink in spirit - fk. OBTW - Barbie wears a lot of hoochie gear now - she even gets coin slot when she bends over - and the shoes - well they are so high she can't even walk in them without falling out of them LOL!!! I mostly liked to build houses for her and she had a surf van & we cruised solving crimes - apparently she's changed lol!!

Oh crap I have to run dinners ready - this is a good thing. Um stay in touch and hey do you have a pool at your house? If you do I am so coming after I am recovered!!!

So now you wait until these guys are back from holidays.....how annoying.....but on the briteside they will be refreshed and not annoyed LOL!! So do you think you will want to go to Bellevue to check out that doc or wait until hockeyplayer guy has his surgery?

Hi there MG!
Sorry you missed out on the girls getaway~ It's scary what our body's are capable of. . . It's probably good though, that you are resting before your surgery, and not whooping it up and staying up all night causing trouble with your friends. Even though the doctor says it is looking more like you will have the abdominal surgery, I'll bet that won't be the case. They just need to tell you all the possibilities. I would definitely emphasize that you want them to do work hard to do it the other way. . . My mamo appointment came out fine. I was so relieved. The office purchased some new, powerful machines that enabled the doctor to more accurately determine some troublesome areas they had been watching and testing the last several years. Regarding my hip, I did end up calling that Bellevue doctor's office for an appointment. It was quite interesting. They weren't interested in talking with me until they received a "letter of introduction" from another doctor and all my records/reports were sent over. After that, I am supposed to wait to for a call to schedule an appointment. My doctors were cooperative and I am waiting for a call. I think I remember the hockey player getting frustrated that he waited weeks for a call and finally called them and talked them into getting him scheduled. I did run across some not so nice things about this doctor on the internet. He apparently has a bit of an attitude. . . I'm just tired of not having an accurate diagnosis. I think I'm going to make an appointment with another orthopedic that a friend of mine who is a doctor recommended. So how goes it with you? Has your pain gotten better? Any more shopping therapy? I woud like to do shopping therapy but walking seems to aggravate my hip. PT stepped up my program when I told her I couldn't walk up hills. She said, "we'll fix that!!"
She added some wall squats and some additional band work around my legs that has my behind/hip soo sore. My left hip is now bothering me, and even felt some twinges in the front of my left hip. I think I might have a tear on that side too. I think everything has kind of atrophied even though I'm doing light activity every day. When I told my PT I thought right thigh looked squishy, like there was fluid in it, she said it had just atrophied a bit. Ha!!! A second ago my husband just told me to come watch a program that he though we should get our parents to watch since they are not very exercise oriented. It was some senior fitness show where they do a lot of exercises in a chair. I feel like that is where I need to start! Hope you are feeling better and are enjoying some of the sunshine. Looks like today is going to be a little overcast. What time are you going in Wednesday? It's an office procedure right? You are going to feel soo much better when you get that done.

P.S. No pool, but the club I play tennis at has a nice outdoor pool (you have to fight the kids for a lane on the warm days though) and a jacuzzi! We do have a ping pong table~

[missiongirl]

That's awesome your mamo appt went so smoothly and so thorough - love new technology hey! Sure eases the brain. The hospital will be calling me later this afternoon for the time to show up Wed. No I wish it was an office procedure, I was told to expect 1-4 nite hospital stay with 6 week recovery. Doc knows how serious I am about least invasive and I will definately remind him!! He's such a caring and straight forward man I couldn't ask for more - infact I feel like giving him a big hug cause he just makes me feel good. I am nervous and just praying I don't get bumped to a later date - the waiting is killer and just don't get why I'm so nervous - perhaps cause it's been a long haul.

Oh yes the old lady chair fitness - I considered it myself and now wish I had done it as it's so realistic to my abilities right now LOL - I think I haven't cause it just PO's me LOL!! Maybe I should after this recovery as I'll have less going on with body & brain.

What you shared re: Bellevue surg sounds like normal process for specialists I have seen out here in my personal experience. They just want all the info and not have their time wasted cause they see so many folks I kinda think some of it has to do with payment too as it's also how they make their living - again just my opinion. I paid to see my hip surg with my paper work in tow & also had to wait several weeks even with paying so don't let that discourage you. Some doc's are so arrogant and I think they just lack personal relation skills which is so important especially when we are so depleted. I also called my surg's office after about 3 weeks just to remind them of me or if I'd received more info from scans & other specialists - I think it helped. I like how you are shopping around, why the hell not LOL?!!

Oh no pool - me either!! We went and priced them out and decided we would wait a few years if we do it at all. It doesn't add value to the house to it's a big commitment. Our basement isn't furnished either, it's not a huge house but it's just the 2 of us so we don't really need it we find and we think we'd enjoy a pool more than a basement we don't use anyways LOL! We'll see. I love swimming in outdoor pools in the summer doing lengths - yeah usually have to be there early in the morning to avoid the kiddies. We dont' have one close to where we live now and I wish we did.

Well I'm off to distract myself today the best I can & pack my crap to amuse myself at the hospital. I opted not for a private room or it would cost me $180 a nite extra - maybe if I have to be there for 4 days I'll want to for one nite to get some rest. BTW I'm so impressed with how much you are trying to keep active and doing stuff with physio even with all the pain & working. I know how tuff it is and you should be so proud about what you can do :) Take care and I'll chat when I'm back - hooray finally!

[AMadrona]

That's awesome your mamo appt went so smoothly and so thorough - love new technology hey! Sure eases the brain. The hospital will be calling me later this afternoon for the time to show up Wed. No I wish it was an office procedure, I was told to expect 1-4 nite hospital stay with 6 week recovery. Doc knows how serious I am about least invasive and I will definately remind him!! He's such a caring and straight forward man I couldn't ask for more - infact I feel like giving him a big hug cause he just makes me feel good. I am nervous and just praying I don't get bumped to a later date - the waiting is killer and just don't get why I'm so nervous - perhaps cause it's been a long haul.

Oh yes the old lady chair fitness - I considered it myself and now wish I had done it as it's so realistic to my abilities right now LOL - I think I haven't cause it just PO's me LOL!! Maybe I should after this recovery as I'll have less going on with body & brain.

What you shared re: Bellevue surg sounds like normal process for specialists I have seen out here in my personal experience. They just want all the info and not have their time wasted cause they see so many folks I kinda think some of it has to do with payment too as it's also how they make their living - again just my opinion. I paid to see my hip surg with my paper work in tow & also had to wait several weeks even with paying so don't let that discourage you. Some doc's are so arrogant and I think they just lack personal relation skills which is so important especially when we are so depleted. I also called my surg's office after about 3 weeks just to remind them of me or if I'd received more info from scans & other specialists - I think it helped. I like how you are shopping around, why the hell not LOL?!!

Oh no pool - me either!! We went and priced them out and decided we would wait a few years if we do it at all. It doesn't add value to the house to it's a big commitment. Our basement isn't furnished either, it's not a huge house but it's just the 2 of us so we don't really need it we find and we think we'd enjoy a pool more than a basement we don't use anyways LOL! We'll see. I love swimming in outdoor pools in the summer doing lengths - yeah usually have to be there early in the morning to avoid the kiddies. We dont' have one close to where we live now and I wish we did.

Well I'm off to distract myself today the best I can & pack my crap to amuse myself at the hospital. I opted not for a private room or it would cost me $180 a nite extra - maybe if I have to be there for 4 days I'll want to for one nite to get some rest. BTW I'm so impressed with how much you are trying to keep active and doing stuff with physio even with all the pain & working. I know how tuff it is and you should be so proud about what you can do :) Take care and I'll chat when I'm back - hooray finally!

Hi MG!
I'm sending all my good energy, calmness and positive thinking your way!!! With all my procedures, the waiting/anticipation was always the worst. I just wanted to get them done and over with. I wanted those problems out of my body as soon as possible! You are SO FORTUNATE to have such a kind and caring doctor. That makes all the difference in the world. I think it is really good that you will be in the hospital for four days to ensure you rest and are waited on hand and foot. It is too easy to neglect good patient care when you are home. You are such an outgoing person that it is good you will be with other people and not isolated. You will heal faster! Practice deep yoga breathing before and after and positive vitualization. A lot of healing comes from the mind. I've read so many interesting articles and books recently about how important it is to program GOOD things in your brain. Thanks for your comments on the Bellevue doc. I know you're right. Our house also needs furnishing. We have all our old furniture from when we were single in our apartments! And of course, those pieces that were in my parents' basement. . .I kind of don't notice it anymore. ..I love our neighborhood though. Walking distance to a number of great restaurants and close to downtown.

Take care, this will all be behind you soon and you will be focused on your plan for getting back into athletics. Sending you A GREAT BIG BOUQUET of beautiful, wonderful smelling flowers!!!! (and a shot of your favorite rum) AM

[soccermom]

ok...i got the OR report. i had a 20 mm tear (mind you i had a 15 mm tear removed from that same hip a year ago) and it was detached. he fixed it with 1 anchor. so it is official. how on earth is 1 anchor going to hold that large of a tear in place and keep it attached to the bone. :confused:

who has discussed this with their surgeon and can give me some questions to ask!!!!

soccermom

[missiongirl]

HI AM!

Sorry I was gone so long I was having a real rough time of it! I got the type of surgery I wanted though which is fantastic hooray for me!! but sadly they hurt my hip so bad that it was that after the 1st day that I couldn't control the pain. I couldn't take anymore drugs after 1.5 days other than xstylenol cause I get sooo constipated from surgery - and that was smart as I'm still dealing with that and trying everything and I do mean everything. But I wound up in the ER all weekend then being treated for DVT (blood clots - which I don't have thank goodness -got an ultrasound MOn). My whole hip & leg hurt so bad that I couldn't tell where it hurt as it all hurt so bad & couldn't sleep either. I still have the leg/butt/groin/hip pain, it settles in intensity then comes back full boar & I have trouble sleeping from it all which I find hard for recovery. HOpefully they didn't damage me more but good thing I'm on the list for hip tear surgery rite - so kudos to me for a short ride from one to the other rite!!!!! Damn I'm good LOL!!

Oh yeah - I totally did the yoga breathing upon waking and days after - still do it sum. I tried to get up walking asap and I think that super helped. The nurses were telling me to rest more but I felt good after breathing and walking a bit here & there. I'm a firm believer!

My husband has been great through all of this - I have to share! He stayed with me at the hospital every day as he was on days off. He helped me up to go to the bathroom & go for a walk and even brought his personal dvd player so we could watch some movies (usually in pieces from passing out LOL!!) At home he's doing the laundry, cutting up fruit & salads for me & running to the pharmacy. He even helped me wash my legs & feet for a few days back from the hospital as my hip hurt so bad I couldn't do it. I mite feel like calling myself a DIVA Lol!! Ms Lopez or something with this treatment - I always laugh at Lopez ever since watching South Park episode - ever see that one 'sexzy wishes'-LMAO! Anyway he's been fab and it's funny to think of myself as a Diva cause I'm mostly a jean shorts & flip flop kinda girl but I do appreciate diamonds & sparkly items too.

Thanks for the bouquet LOL! I love it!! I put it with my other ones and am enjoying them all so so much - gracias. How are things going on your hip front? Have the people all come together to go over your report now? Any more doctor visits or decisions made there? How are you feeling? & how is the studio doing do they call you?

Chat soon my westcoast amiga! -MG
ps could we get any more rain LOL???

[missiongirl]

ok...i got the OR report. i had a 20 mm tear (mind you i had a 15 mm tear removed from that same hip a year ago) and it was detached. he fixed it with 1 anchor. so it is official. how on earth is 1 anchor going to hold that large of a tear in place and keep it attached to the bone. :confused:

who has discussed this with their surgeon and can give me some questions to ask!!!!

soccermom

OM gosh soccermom that is a huge a** tear!! Hello wow :eek: ! I don't know what an anchor is - I guess not sewn or sewn with something to help it hold? Well maybe now with all tended & mended you can feel some comfort. I'd like to hear what someone says to that ? as well!! How do you feel rite now? I know I feel scared sumx and distrusting of what's being done to me, dont' know why they have all been great - it's just such a long haul.

thanks for the info for my 1st surgery I totally did it and I walked as much as I could handle. I started feeling better on Mon then had a big set back almost like starting over but am taking good care. What are you able to do now at home are you fairly mobile? BTW totally enjoying my previous shopping therapy purchases LOL!!:p

[soccermom]

mission girl:
glad you are doing well from your surgery. my recovery was easier as my procedure was less involved when i had that surgery. just think of all the money you will save in monthly products that now you can shop with!

i go back next tuesday and hopefully get off these blasted crutches. i am doing something that is aggrevating this hip and i cannot figure it out. i think sitting. but i am making progress...just slow.

so now when his your hip surgery?
soccermom

[AMadrona]

HI AM!

Sorry I was gone so long I was having a real rough time of it! I got the type of surgery I wanted though which is fantastic hooray for me!! but sadly they hurt my hip so bad that it was that after the 1st day that I couldn't control the pain. I couldn't take anymore drugs after 1.5 days other than xstylenol cause I get sooo constipated from surgery - and that was smart as I'm still dealing with that and trying everything and I do mean everything. But I wound up in the ER all weekend then being treated for DVT (blood clots - which I don't have thank goodness -got an ultrasound MOn). My whole hip & leg hurt so bad that I couldn't tell where it hurt as it all hurt so bad & couldn't sleep either. I still have the leg/butt/groin/hip pain, it settles in intensity then comes back full boar & I have trouble sleeping from it all which I find hard for recovery. HOpefully they didn't damage me more but good thing I'm on the list for hip tear surgery rite - so kudos to me for a short ride from one to the other rite!!!!! Damn I'm good LOL!!

Oh yeah - I totally did the yoga breathing upon waking and days after - still do it sum. I tried to get up walking asap and I think that super helped. The nurses were telling me to rest more but I felt good after breathing and walking a bit here & there. I'm a firm believer!

My husband has been great through all of this - I have to share! He stayed with me at the hospital every day as he was on days off. He helped me up to go to the bathroom & go for a walk and even brought his personal dvd player so we could watch some movies (usually in pieces from passing out LOL!!) At home he's doing the laundry, cutting up fruit & salads for me & running to the pharmacy. He even helped me wash my legs & feet for a few days back from the hospital as my hip hurt so bad I couldn't do it. I mite feel like calling myself a DIVA Lol!! Ms Lopez or something with this treatment - I always laugh at Lopez ever since watching South Park episode - ever see that one 'sexzy wishes'-LMAO! Anyway he's been fab and it's funny to think of myself as a Diva cause I'm mostly a jean shorts & flip flop kinda girl but I do appreciate diamonds & sparkly items too.

Thanks for the bouquet LOL! I love it!! I put it with my other ones and am enjoying them all so so much - gracias. How are things going on your hip front? Have the people all come together to go over your report now? Any more doctor visits or decisions made there? How are you feeling? & how is the studio doing do they call you?

Chat soon my westcoast amiga! -MG
ps could we get any more rain LOL???


Dear MG,
I was about ready to send in the troops or go to Mission myself! I was hoping you were being well taken care of and that no one was letting you lift a finger, which was why you weren't able to get to the computer. That's so wonderful that your hub has been so attentive and helpful so you can heal quickly. PLEASE take it easy and keep putting the best fuel in your body (love those chopped fruits and veggies!) , take your iron supplements on schedule and don't force your body into doing anything it is not ready to do. I'd milk those foot baths, massages. Is there soft music and candles involved? Maybe some rum. .. The spice turmeric is good (I take supplements) for reducing inflammation. If you can stand it, try and stay away from the drugs. I'm guessing you are still in incredible pain. I have bad stomach issues and drugs make me crazy so I do whatever I can to avoid them if possible. Fortunately Redhook doesn't cause me any problems. . . I was SO GLAD to hear the surgery was performed as you wanted it!!! So sorry your feeling the horrible hip/groin/butt pain. Mine is extra bad today in sympathy for you!!! :) I actually believe that once you heal up from this surgery, a lot of those issues WILL get better. I've been noticing a coorelation lately. Everything is just inflammated, aggravated and angry right now! Keep your quads strong by just squeezing them hard and then releasing them. (10 seconds and then relax). You can do them in bed watching TV with your legs straight. Same with the mutifidi (or however you spell it) muscles. Start training them now! I'm so glad this surgery is finally behind you. I haven't heard from the radiologist yet who was convening the meeting, but I have an appointment with the Bellevue surgeon. Apparently he does about 4-5 debridements a week. He doesn't do labral reattachments (where they drill and achor plastic hook things into the bone), but I'm hoping he has seem enough of these types of cases that he can make some recommendations or tell me my activity limitations until better treatments are available. He does not believe reattachments are successful. My MRI showed a detachment. Anyway, I had some mobilization done by my PT yesterday which made me feel better and she gave me some new exercises. I felt pretty good yesterday, but was up at 5 a.m. to take my hub in to get a procedure done (cortisone injection for herniated disc) and was sitting all morning at the hopstial and then 8 hours at work and my hip is not doing so well. Going to go do some exercises and them give myself an adjustment (PT showed me how to do it when I feel pinching in the groin or pain in the hip).

Let me know how you are doing and when your hip surgery is scheduled!! Can't wait to go swimming together!!:) LOL!!! AM

[missiongirl]

Dear MG,
I was about ready to send in the troops or go to Mission myself! I was hoping you were being well taken care of and that no one was letting you lift a finger, which was why you weren't able to get to the computer. That's so wonderful that your hub has been so attentive and helpful so you can heal quickly. PLEASE take it easy and keep putting the best fuel in your body (love those chopped fruits and veggies!) , take your iron supplements on schedule and don't force your body into doing anything it is not ready to do. I'd milk those foot baths, massages. Is there soft music and candles involved? Maybe some rum. .. The spice turmeric is good (I take supplements) for reducing inflammation. If you can stand it, try and stay away from the drugs. I'm guessing you are still in incredible pain. I have bad stomach issues and drugs make me crazy so I do whatever I can to avoid them if possible. Fortunately Redhook doesn't cause me any problems. . . I was SO GLAD to hear the surgery was performed as you wanted it!!! So sorry your feeling the horrible hip/groin/butt pain. Mine is extra bad today in sympathy for you!!! :) I actually believe that once you heal up from this surgery, a lot of those issues WILL get better. I've been noticing a coorelation lately. Everything is just inflammated, aggravated and angry right now! Keep your quads strong by just squeezing them hard and then releasing them. (10 seconds and then relax). You can do them in bed watching TV with your legs straight. Same with the mutifidi (or however you spell it) muscles. Start training them now! I'm so glad this surgery is finally behind you. I haven't heard from the radiologist yet who was convening the meeting, but I have an appointment with the Bellevue surgeon. Apparently he does about 4-5 debridements a week. He doesn't do labral reattachments (where they drill and achor plastic hook things into the bone), but I'm hoping he has seem enough of these types of cases that he can make some recommendations or tell me my activity limitations until better treatments are available. He does not believe reattachments are successful. My MRI showed a detachment. Anyway, I had some mobilization done by my PT yesterday which made me feel better and she gave me some new exercises. I felt pretty good yesterday, but was up at 5 a.m. to take my hub in to get a procedure done (cortisone injection for herniated disc) and was sitting all morning at the hopstial and then 8 hours at work and my hip is not doing so well. Going to go do some exercises and them give myself an adjustment (PT showed me how to do it when I feel pinching in the groin or pain in the hip).

Let me know how you are doing and when your hip surgery is scheduled!! Can't wait to go swimming together!!:) LOL!!! AM


Hey hey AM

Soooo good to hear from you too! I know I was gone a long time - argh recovery! But it's so much better to be on this side of it! LOL :p I feel I'm coming around as of yesterday afternoon though - yeah baby. All of a sudden my rest or something seems to be kicking in. I was having a lot of pain & trying to manage it with my diet & was having charlie horses in my leg with the bad hip and in both my feet. I'm sooo all about tring to for-go the drugs when I can and I've been fairly successful with the xstylenol now. Though I wish I could have taken something stronger for a few more days. Yes you are so rite about the angry inflammation :mad: that has to be controlled and then everything settles down to the point that you can't believe the relief opposed to the intensity of the pain you were having. It's amazing isn't it. I sure get down when the pain is horrible & long but when relief comes for a few days I feel so different. I really look forward to having that and seeing where I'm at and how I'm going to feel from now on!

I used to take a lot of supplements but I felt overwhelmed by them one day this past year and took a break - ever do that?! What do you all take & why? I do take a product every morning called Greens + here in Canada. I've take it for 10 yrs and i sure notice when I don't. Rite now I am doing that, vit D,C, (sumx B & Garlic) Cal-mag, One a Day & Acidopilus. So do you just cook with your tumeric? Yeah that's good for rice & fish rite? I've been going heavy on the salmon lately mmmmm lol!

BTW I haven't had my rum yet! I miss it so! I'm waiting until after I'm at least 2 weeks post-op. No candles with the foot bathes but I must say, even with feeling horrible it was oddly sexzy and it made me feel good especially after being neutered LOL! He does ask me if he can help wash me when he's home in the morning hmmmm. Man he still has a 5 week wait LOL - poorbugger! One of my friends bought me a gift certificate for lingerie as a gift recently - what a perfect gift in my situation so thoughtful - I will go looking in a few weeks as therapy for the whole spectrum - hee hee

Oh man I miss swimming. I think of you doing that everyday so I live vicariously through you - thanks! Yeah it's that sitting that is a killer. Did you find it set you back after taking hubby to hosp & then work....? How is your hubbydoing? - Ouch!!

I'm way too scared to try to squeeze my quads rite now with the charlie horses I'm having! I get wicked ones in my feet! I started drinking poweraid's hoping that will help too.

Good for you seeing Bellevue doc and getting sum ideas that's a good plan. You will have to practise your yoga breathing before seeing him to stay calm & focused if he really is arrogant. I find patience for ignorance hard when I am in pain - know what I mean?!!

Yes let me know how things are going to and it is soo nice to hear from ya - hey lets cheers on Tuues with your fav beverage as it will be 2 weeks post op HeHeHe!

[missiongirl]

mission girl:
glad you are doing well from your surgery. my recovery was easier as my procedure was less involved when i had that surgery. just think of all the money you will save in monthly products that now you can shop with!

i go back next tuesday and hopefully get off these blasted crutches. i am doing something that is aggrevating this hip and i cannot figure it out. i think sitting. but i am making progress...just slow.

so now when his your hip surgery?
soccermom
Hey Soccermom ......ummm yeah lol I already donated sum of my products to my sister and it was awesome! She asked if I wanted to keep sum just in case visitors mite need them and I totally laughed and replied "so not my problem!!" We had a good belly laugh that hurt - yeeoouch! I figured it out a few months ago that for when I was most likely hitting menopause and if the product prices remained the same just on the products alone I'll be saving over $6000!! - High 5 my sista lOL!!

Oh I hope you get to kick those crutches to the curb on Tues! I think it will lift your spirits too. It's like hitting a mile stone hey? Yeah it's difficlult to deal with aggrevation - I find sitting is hard. Hey have you heard of the sacrowedges - maybe you have tight muscles down there, maybe that would help when sitting - maybe it would help me, I think I'm more in donut mode rite now though lol. Sitting is my nemesis! ARgh. Glad you are making sum progress it's just long hey!

I dont' have my surgery date yet. They said they would call me this summer with the date. My wait once I get the call will not be long though. I am hoping for Sept now. I wanted it earlier but I understand with the surgery I just had that I will reach 80% healing at 3 months. I think it would work out great to have it then.

Take good care & do let me know how the appt went!!

[soccermom]

missiongirl...you make me laugh so hard! i have 3 daughters and the one keeps whining how unfair it is .... i'm like, yup...i know!!!

the surgeon's office called me this am to remind me of my appt tomorrow...i'm like...how on earth could i forget the day that i possible get off these blasted crutches!!!!!! they gotta be kidding. i'd be there at 8 am if i thought it would speed up the process.

i will let you know how it goes. i am not looking forward to starting PT this week. i still cannot even pick up my own leg without lifting it with my hands. i think i am really, really weak after this psoas release.

soccermom

[soccermom]

missiongirl...you make me laugh so hard! i have 3 daughters and the one keeps whining how unfair it is .... i'm like, yup...i know!!!

the surgeon's office called me this am to remind me of my appt tomorrow...i'm like...how on earth could i forget the day that i possible get off these blasted crutches!!!!!! they gotta be kidding. i'd be there at 8 am if i thought it would speed up the process.

i will let you know how it goes. i am not looking forward to starting PT this week. i still cannot even pick up my own leg without lifting it with my hands. i think i am really, really weak after this psoas release.

soccermom

[soccermom]

ok...so here is what i know (about me anyway).

detached labrum and very large tear....anchored with one anchor. scar tissue is supposed to heal over that anchor and heal the tear. the anchor is to hold the labrum down and hopefully over time it will reattach. i can start bearing wt. now. and i start pt.

no running for 6 mos and then he doesn't love the prospect of running, but i can do it. no sports for 1 year. i am supposed to be really, really careful from now to 6 mos and can ease up as i get closer to 6 mos. i am not to do anything that hurts. he wants to make sure i don't tear the anchor out.

long term...i am high risk for a hip replacement and will might need one in my lifetime. he is hopeful this will work for many years. time will tell.

my right hip (scoped, labral resection, osteoplasty for fai in Oct 2007), is doing awesome. only an occasional pain out of it and it took the full load after this surgery like a charm.

soccermom

[missiongirl]

Hey you sure found a lot at your appt soccermom - awesome! You have the scoop! So I'm thinking the prospect of giving up running is weighing on your mind (?) You run so that would be hard to think of doing without it. That's a long time to not be able to do any sports, but it's not like you can do much now rite so it's doable as it's temporary. I mean can you swim or something cause it's not so hard on the joints? What are thinking rite now? How ya feeling? That's amazing your right hip is doing so damn good - wow you must be so happy and most of all relieved that it worked!!! It wasn't for not and so will this be!!

I can't help but think that with these injuries a lot of us will probably be looking at hip replacements way down the road - my thoughts anyway. I am hoping not, but I think it would be great if we can get stuff done like this we can postpone it until we are much older and that would make us lucky. I don't know how this stuff works but I'd take MIGHT ANY DAY over for sure!! So I am super happy for you!

[soccermom]

i'll give up the sports...decide later about the running. guess we will have to see how the anchor holds.

[AMadrona]

Hey hey AM

Soooo good to hear from you too! I know I was gone a long time - argh recovery! But it's so much better to be on this side of it! LOL :p I feel I'm coming around as of yesterday afternoon though - yeah baby. All of a sudden my rest or something seems to be kicking in. I was having a lot of pain & trying to manage it with my diet & was having charlie horses in my leg with the bad hip and in both my feet. I'm sooo all about tring to for-go the drugs when I can and I've been fairly successful with the xstylenol now. Though I wish I could have taken something stronger for a few more days. Yes you are so rite about the angry inflammation :mad: that has to be controlled and then everything settles down to the point that you can't believe the relief opposed to the intensity of the pain you were having. It's amazing isn't it. I sure get down when the pain is horrible & long but when relief comes for a few days I feel so different. I really look forward to having that and seeing where I'm at and how I'm going to feel from now on!

I used to take a lot of supplements but I felt overwhelmed by them one day this past year and took a break - ever do that?! What do you all take & why? I do take a product every morning called Greens + here in Canada. I've take it for 10 yrs and i sure notice when I don't. Rite now I am doing that, vit D,C, (sumx B & Garlic) Cal-mag, One a Day & Acidopilus. So do you just cook with your tumeric? Yeah that's good for rice & fish rite? I've been going heavy on the salmon lately mmmmm lol!

BTW I haven't had my rum yet! I miss it so! I'm waiting until after I'm at least 2 weeks post-op. No candles with the foot bathes but I must say, even with feeling horrible it was oddly sexzy and it made me feel good especially after being neutered LOL! He does ask me if he can help wash me when he's home in the morning hmmmm. Man he still has a 5 week wait LOL - poorbugger! One of my friends bought me a gift certificate for lingerie as a gift recently - what a perfect gift in my situation so thoughtful - I will go looking in a few weeks as therapy for the whole spectrum - hee hee

Oh man I miss swimming. I think of you doing that everyday so I live vicariously through you - thanks! Yeah it's that sitting that is a killer. Did you find it set you back after taking hubby to hosp & then work....? How is your hubbydoing? - Ouch!!

I'm way too scared to try to squeeze my quads rite now with the charlie horses I'm having! I get wicked ones in my feet! I started drinking poweraid's hoping that will help too.

Good for you seeing Bellevue doc and getting sum ideas that's a good plan. You will have to practise your yoga breathing before seeing him to stay calm & focused if he really is arrogant. I find patience for ignorance hard when I am in pain - know what I mean?!!

Yes let me know how things are going to and it is soo nice to hear from ya - hey lets cheers on Tuues with your fav beverage as it will be 2 weeks post op HeHeHe!

Hi MG!
Hope you are doing better and you are rid of those miserable charlie horses - had a nice little toast to you on Tues. with a frosty Pike Place Ale. That's so funny about the lingerie -it reminded me a bit of last night, when I was meeting with my tennis group (now I just organize since I'm not playing, but meet in the bar afterwards for drinks and dinner) and some of the players were saying things like, "You've got to get back on the court soon!" or "Do you really play tennis?" -like I'm not TOTALLY MISSING IT and like I want to not be playing? Granted, they've had a few drinks when they say those things and some of them are new recruits who I haven't played with. Still, it kind of bums me out. My husband thought I was being WAY to sensitive (I was grousing on the way home last night). I also saw another tennis player friend of mine on Saturday who said he saw this person cluthing her leg and half walking/limping (he was doing my sea captain routine) downtown and then he realized it was me (I was trying to catch the bus). I didn't realize I looked that bad, I actually really feel a lot better. My PT has been giving me some exercises with a band that seem to be helping. I just have to be very careful not to overdo anything. I think of you when I swim, since it is not something I normally do. It has been difficult to get in the water on the very very cold nights after work and the water is not very warm!!! I'll bet you are a really good swimmer. I can't swim very long so it hardly makes it worth getting all wet - particularly my hair. Still, it's good psychologically for me. How do you keep your hair from getting all damaged from the chlorine? I'm also a terrible swimmer, so now my neck hurts a bit, but I'm not complaining (I never learned to breath properly). My poor husband had all those cortisone injections in his neck and today was day 5. He was supposed to feel relief by day 5 or the injections didn't work. He is not feeling any better. Are you able to do those gentle squeezes with your quad yet? How is the pain? You take a lot of the same vitamins as me. I do take Glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate, which the doctors seem to think really help with rebuilding cartildge, but I thought I heard a story recently about a study that said it really didn't do anything. Other recent studies have show that people who take vitamins don't live as long as people who don't take them. It makes me wonder what they put in the vitamins, since it's not really regulated. I really want to quit but I'm addicted! I do think the Turmeric helps, I take a capsule every day. It doesn't taste that good in food. Does the green stuff you take have algae, kelp and other good vitamins/minerals in it? I do put flaxseed and flaxseed meal in my smoothies every morning, along with bee pollen. Yum yum. I love my smoothies. Sounds like you eat really healthy like me. I love wild king salmon. It's sure getting expensive now though. So are you watching any good movies? Shows? I just got the second season of Weeds from the Library. It is hysterical. You would like it. It is an HBO show. I'm going to need to pack it in, off to visit the in-laws until Sunday. At least it will be warm (they live in Nevada). Hope you are feeling better and better every day. Hopefully the weather will brighten up so you can get some natural vitamin D. Take care:) AM

[missiongirl]

Hey AM:)

I completely understand to how you felt re: your tennis buddies. It hurts to not be able to participate as it is and then to realize you are not exactly in the loop as you were anymore. I commend you for continuing to go and socialize and keeping yourself in there though that is so good!! Comments & opinons hurt too.Besides the pain, I find that difficult, more so before being diagnosed which took forever it seemed. OH and BTW I had it a few times where I was at the mall or out walking and I could hear people say stuff like "I wonder what happened to her, that's too bad cause she's pretty otherwise....." seriously a lady said that!!!!! I was already just trying to get out to boost my spirits & participate in life and that hurt - ouch!! So I get the whole comments and not realizing the injury shows! Just remember we WILL return! I hope I don’t’ sound bummed out, I’m ok I’ve just been laying in bed or on the couch for 4 days as I started bleeding so I can’t do anything and I’m annoyed!! My hubbies been taking me out for drives – saves my butt ! And I’ve had company like crazy & they’ve been so good about my being laid up doing things for themselves– & my sister's were here & a riot so it's been good to laugh!

No I’m not a fabulous swimmer at all but I do alright. For me the first 15 minutes are the hardest then it’s like I get my groove and can go for another 45min with little effort LOL! I try to swim for 45 -60 min when healthy – I hate to know what it will be like when I go again. I love the water it makes me feel so free, the gracefulness of how the body moves in it – like dance I’m guessing. I will get to swim in about a month – I’m so excited! Oh the hair, hair salons do sell shampoo for swimmers, not always easy to find but they do and it’s worth it. I have long hair so I also use a very good heavy conditioner & a leave in spray in conditioner. For the body, cause swimming is hard on the skin as well, try coating yourself with a lite layer of Vaseline before swimming or I prefer to mix a few drops of baby oil & drops of water in with my moisturizer – your skin will luv you LOL.

I heard weeds is good – that good hey – lemme know?! Have to luv the concept – tv’s gotten interesting themes lately hey – even like Dexter & In treatment. I have been watching movies like crazy & reading books due to being super laid up. I am currently reading A Wolf at the Table, it’s the follow-up to Running with Scissors. I am reading my recipe books for healthy eating ideas I can make quickly as I can’t stand for too long. I’ve taken 2 steps backwards this week but they said to expect that. I’m doing good though I do have cheesecake in the house & coolers too LOL! My health drink doesn’t have kelp in it but it has tons of berry extracts, ginseng, bee pollen, gingkoloba, wheat grasses, green tea extracts…… tons of stuff. Should I be looking at kelp? I never heard that about vitamins and shorter life span, thanks for sharing that. I’m still with you though, I feel like I’m not taking care of myself if I don’t take something. I took bromelain/chon a long time ago for about 6 months, I felt no difference. I then started taking zymactive (they are smelly) but I got sick of taking those too and the price didn’t match the relief (anti-inflammatory with the brom/chon). I luv smoothies, I used to drink mine on my drive to work….miss work as crazy as it sounds! Lately I’m into wheat germ as well –good stuff in that!

How was the trip to Nevada – are you kidding me – you got to enjoy the heat & sun?! So jealous! I keep looking up tropical vacations on the net………want to go - at least I could lay on the beach and swim a bit to amuse myself! Hubby seems to be disinterested in natural vacation this year. I catch him looking up flight deals to sandiego & mexico when I bring up going to the Island or camping LOL – I'd really like to do both.

Hope all is well and you are having waaay too much fun for the both of us! Do share :) Anymore doc appt news in the works?

[AMadrona]

Hey AM:)

I completely understand to how you felt re: your tennis buddies. It hurts to not be able to participate as it is and then to realize you are not exactly in the loop as you were anymore. I commend you for continuing to go and socialize and keeping yourself in there though that is so good!! Comments & opinons hurt too.Besides the pain, I find that difficult, more so before being diagnosed which took forever it seemed. OH and BTW I had it a few times where I was at the mall or out walking and I could hear people say stuff like "I wonder what happened to her, that's too bad cause she's pretty otherwise....." seriously a lady said that!!!!! I was already just trying to get out to boost my spirits & participate in life and that hurt - ouch!! So I get the whole comments and not realizing the injury shows! Just remember we WILL return! I hope I don?t? sound bummed out, I?m ok I?ve just been laying in bed or on the couch for 4 days as I started bleeding so I can?t do anything and I?m annoyed!! My hubbies been taking me out for drives ? saves my butt ! And I?ve had company like crazy & they?ve been so good about my being laid up doing things for themselves? & my sister's were here & a riot so it's been good to laugh!

No I?m not a fabulous swimmer at all but I do alright. For me the first 15 minutes are the hardest then it?s like I get my groove and can go for another 45min with little effort LOL! I try to swim for 45 -60 min when healthy ? I hate to know what it will be like when I go again. I love the water it makes me feel so free, the gracefulness of how the body moves in it ? like dance I?m guessing. I will get to swim in about a month ? I?m so excited! Oh the hair, hair salons do sell shampoo for swimmers, not always easy to find but they do and it?s worth it. I have long hair so I also use a very good heavy conditioner & a leave in spray in conditioner. For the body, cause swimming is hard on the skin as well, try coating yourself with a lite layer of Vaseline before swimming or I prefer to mix a few drops of baby oil & drops of water in with my moisturizer ? your skin will luv you LOL.

I heard weeds is good ? that good hey ? lemme know?! Have to luv the concept ? tv?s gotten interesting themes lately hey ? even like Dexter & In treatment. I have been watching movies like crazy & reading books due to being super laid up. I am currently reading A Wolf at the Table, it?s the follow-up to Running with Scissors. I am reading my recipe books for healthy eating ideas I can make quickly as I can?t stand for too long. I?ve taken 2 steps backwards this week but they said to expect that. I?m doing good though I do have cheesecake in the house & coolers too LOL! My health drink doesn?t have kelp in it but it has tons of berry extracts, ginseng, bee pollen, gingkoloba, wheat grasses, green tea extracts?? tons of stuff. Should I be looking at kelp? I never heard that about vitamins and shorter life span, thanks for sharing that. I?m still with you though, I feel like I?m not taking care of myself if I don?t take something. I took bromelain/chon a long time ago for about 6 months, I felt no difference. I then started taking zymactive (they are smelly) but I got sick of taking those too and the price didn?t match the relief (anti-inflammatory with the brom/chon). I luv smoothies, I used to drink mine on my drive to work?.miss work as crazy as it sounds! Lately I?m into wheat germ as well ?good stuff in that!

How was the trip to Nevada ? are you kidding me ? you got to enjoy the heat & sun?! So jealous! I keep looking up tropical vacations on the net???want to go - at least I could lay on the beach and swim a bit to amuse myself! Hubby seems to be disinterested in natural vacation this year. I catch him looking up flight deals to sandiego & mexico when I bring up going to the Island or camping LOL ? I'd really like to do both.

Hope all is well and you are having waaay too much fun for the both of us! Do share :) Anymore doc appt news in the works?

Hi MG!
So good to hear from you. I was such a whiner in my last note - sorry - I really need to slap myself when I get like that. I've noticed lately that much of the population now has gotten so fat and out of shape, that even with my bad hip, I seem to be moving OK in comparison to other people when I'm walking downtown! Thanks for tips on hair and skin for swimming. Do you put the conditioner on your hair before you put your cap on? I have longer hair too. Hair stylist told me to twist my hair in a rope and put the cap on with my head upsidedown so I don't pull the hair from the top of the scalp. I did also purchase some spray that she suggested, $23 bucks!!! I still have major frizz though. Thanks for the tips on the skin too. I should pay more attention to it. I'm always rushing to get home. I lliterally leave my club with my hair wet, uncombed, and my shoes untied. It takes me forever to get through my exercises and a short swim after work. Hub doesn't like eating at 9 p.m. . . . .That's funny that you are reading A Wolf At the Table - My hub and I just ate at a restaurant called How to Cook a Wolf. It wasn't very good. I am reading "Bridge of Sighs" by Richard Russo which is really good. I'm almost done so I will see if I can get A Wolf At the Table at the library if you recommend it. Weeds is really good - very funny. You're smoothies sound really good. I know what you mean about work. I love and hate it, but on the whole, I like the people are work with and my job, it just gets to be too much sometimes and stressful, but it does take my mind off of other things~ Nevada was nice - warm and sunny, much different than Seattle! Actually had to put on sun screen and sun glasses! Took a walk one day - flat - and did well. Did a walk that had a slight incline and didn't do so well. My hub's mom smokes, isn't well enough to clean much and they have Rotweiller that makes me nervous, so I was glad to come home:) They are very nice though. Scary to see how we become our parents as we get older. . .I hope you take two trips - take as many as you can. I don't think people vacation nearly as much as they should. Life's too short not to get out and enjoy yourself!!! Sounds like you have been busy on the entertaining front. That's amazing that you have been up for having company! Cleaning is one thing I've slacked on since I injured myself - it's actually been liberating! Glad you have been having fun with friends and visiting with your sis. That's great you laugh so much. My sis is always stressed out for too many laughs (two kids), but she is wonderful. always there for me. On the dr. front, still waiting to hear from the second radiologist who has been on vacation, although when I called yesterday, the assistant was upset he hadn't yet called me back and said he was in all last week. My appt. with the Bellevue doctor is in two weeks. I feel like I'm in a state where I am able to manage my pain to some degree, which has really helped. I'll try and find that article on vitamins and lower life expectancy. I hope you're bleeding has stopped and that you have been on some really nice drives!! Let me know how you are doing. Also, since it seems like we have similar eating habits, let me know if you find any good, quick, healthy recipes!! :) AM

[soccermom]

i am about 6 wks out of my labral repair. i have been off the crutches for 10 or so days and to PT 3x now. I am still having a fair amount of catching..you know, the catch that leaves you stuck in your tracks and scared to move because you think you retore or are retearing something???? i don't remember this quite so much from my last scope, but the last one was a labral resection and not a repair.

i am scared to death that i am retearing this thing. :eek: anyone have similar concerns??? similar issues???

i am happy to report, however, that the awful clunk of my snapping psoas is GONE, GONE, GONE!!! of course i still can hardly pick up my leg to even get it up a step or in the darn car!
soccermom

[missiongirl]

Hi Am!

I was trying to private message you but I don't know how or maybe you don't have that option listed to email, I have that on my account. Something happened today and I am very upset, something you've gone through recently. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you I'm just alittle overwhelmed at the moment! I'm glad you enjoyed the sunshine so much that would feel amazing! :) MG

[missiongirl]

i am about 6 wks out of my labral repair. i have been off the crutches for 10 or so days and to PT 3x now. I am still having a fair amount of catching..you know, the catch that leaves you stuck in your tracks and scared to move because you think you retore or are retearing something???? i don't remember this quite so much from my last scope, but the last one was a labral resection and not a repair.

i am scared to death that i am retearing this thing. :eek: anyone have similar concerns??? similar issues???

i am happy to report, however, that the awful clunk of my snapping psoas is GONE, GONE, GONE!!! of course i still can hardly pick up my leg to even get it up a step or in the darn car!
soccermom

Glad to hear you are doing better Soccermom and that you are making progress with the pasoas. Recovery leaves one with so many questions. Sumx I just wish I could fast forward to 6 months later! argh!

[AMadrona]

Hi Am!

I was trying to private message you but I don't know how or maybe you don't have that option listed to email, I have that on my account. Something happened today and I am very upset, something you've gone through recently. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you I'm just alittle overwhelmed at the moment! I'm glad you enjoyed the sunshine so much that would feel amazing! :) MG

Hi MG - I'm so sorry, I am completely incompetent and don't know how to set up the private e-mail thing. I think I just figured out how to make you a friend, but I'm not sure:) I will keep trying. I'm so sorry you are upset and overwhelmed~I am sending all my positive good energy your way and am hoping you are doing better. Just know I am thinking about you:) Just feel better and don't worry about getting back to me until you are up to it. AM

[missiongirl]

Hi MG - I'm so sorry, I am completely incompetent and don't know how to set up the private e-mail thing. I think I just figured out how to make you a friend, but I'm not sure:) I will keep trying. I'm so sorry you are upset and overwhelmed~I am sending all my positive good energy your way and am hoping you are doing better. Just know I am thinking about you:) Just feel better and don't worry about getting back to me until you are up to it. AM

Hi AM,

I know, I do computers but I'm not up to snuff as I used to be lOL!! And I never did the whole chat room business before. I think to try to email me, if you want...and I get that so I won't be offended, you can click on my name and it says on the rite side e-mail missiongirl. I can't remember what email address I wrote in their but I'll check lol. Lemme know and I'll try to figure it out. I used to have a yahoo acct but I forgetit now - duh! I thank you for the positive energy - that made me cry and feel good so thank you so much for that. It's been a heck of a year for me - I'm pooped out but I must keep at it. I had to get a mamo today.......tech said I had to get an ultrasound, they don't give results, I go see my doc on Wed for that and a referral for one. I have no idea how this works. Like I said, I'm just a wee bit overwhelmed and tired as I am still recuperating from surg. I hope you enjoyed the weekend, it was a wee bit nicer for a change :) Thanks again for your caring and sharing and Ihope you get amazing news from your docs!!;)

[AMadrona]

Hi AM,

I know, I do computers but I'm not up to snuff as I used to be lOL!! And I never did the whole chat room business before. I think to try to email me, if you want...and I get that so I won't be offended, you can click on my name and it says on the rite side e-mail missiongirl. I can't remember what email address I wrote in their but I'll check lol. Lemme know and I'll try to figure it out. I used to have a yahoo acct but I forgetit now - duh! I thank you for the positive energy - that made me cry and feel good so thank you so much for that. It's been a heck of a year for me - I'm pooped out but I must keep at it. I had to get a mamo today.......tech said I had to get an ultrasound, they don't give results, I go see my doc on Wed for that and a referral for one. I have no idea how this works. Like I said, I'm just a wee bit overwhelmed and tired as I am still recuperating from surg. I hope you enjoyed the weekend, it was a wee bit nicer for a change :) Thanks again for your caring and sharing and Ihope you get amazing news from your docs!!;)


Hi MG,
I did send you an e-mail a couple days ago - but it was a different e-mail than the one I got when I just clicked on your name. Heck, who knows whose e-mail I sent it to! I never heard back, so I'm guessing it wasn't you! I'm sending you an e-mail to what I believe is your yahoo account right now. AM

[AMadrona]

Hi MG,
Just got back from the doc in Bellevue who deals with labral tears. Spent a hour with me and was pretty thorough. He looked at my MRI and film and said that I definitely have an anterior labral tear and minor dysplasia (shallow hip sockets):(. He said as long as I seemed to be feeling better that I could continue on with the conservative route, which is essentially not doing anything that hurts and not doing any impact at least for nine months. Doesn't seem to be any good solution, everything has risks. He scared me when he talked about one part of the labrum which you don't ever want to tear, because there is no treatment at all - not even screws. . . He told me that sitting was the worst thing for me to do and to be sure to keep my knees below my hips, or open my legs out a bit and cross my ankles when I am sitting. How are you doing? Went to my high school reunion this last weekend. Was interesting. Send me an e-mail if you feel up to it. Take care, AM

[missiongirl]

Hi AM Back!

Oh wow that's great that Bellevue doc spent so much time with you - that's awesome - kinda (?)! So what is he saying - no surgery and so what goes in 9 months, or is it that your options are very high risk and if so, what kind of risks? Frick, what doesn't have risks and it's hard on the brain getting this info. Sorry about the shallow hip sockets, I'm guessing this is not a great thing to have. Oh man I always sit on the couch with my knees bent, I find it feels good. I don't think I have dysplasia so maybe it's ok for me, hmm, argh. My tear is also anterior, I so hope you are not going to tell me that is the worst tear spot, the whole thing is all so unknown and such a journey. Ummm I think we both know that sitting is awful - hello lol!!

How am I doing? I am the same, off & on & up & down day to day - I'm poster child for ADD (not that I have this sad affliction in reality). I can't get in for my ultrasound until the end of July - found this out today, po'd me! Seems so ridiculous!!!! I'm going to see my doc tomorrow to refer me elsewhere & see what I can do for myself. It seems one has to take matters into their own hands to get any descent service or appropriate help.......at least I have experience now rite!! I'll be okay, when I am being proactive i feel better so sometimes it helps to lite a fire under my butt lol!! I've been quite no holds barred lately, and it's been pretty funny when I think about it LOL!! Most people find this quite surprising as I seem so free usually, I've been parting seas and it's amusing folks!

Oh fun, I've never gone to a high school reunion, neither myself nor my husband. I think we both had dud grad classes or something lol! I only went to my highschool grd 11 &12 at my last school due to moving to a different city. It totally sucked doing that at the time and then I moved a year later so I only kept in touch with one girlfriend over time as I've moved a few times and who can keep up? So what did you think, see any old flames and fun girlfriends?

I am having new company on fri, don't know how long - many days. My house is a mess, again, lol, I suppose I have no excuses left as I am recovering much better now from the surgery - yes an upside! I go see my doc for that check-up on Mon - so excited, hoping to get green lite! I'd also like to take a bath or go in a pool as holy cow was it hot here this week hey?!! I totally avoided my friends with pools as I didn't think I could restrain myself from jumping in!! - so I went shopping again, man the check book needs a break! I re-did my front entry, it wasn't too bad really but I also found shoes....and stuff lol. Thanks for writing, let me know what you are thinking about doing or not doing! Later Gater - MG

[soccermom]

this is how i viewed my 20 year high school reunion...same stuff different day, except everyone was an average of 20 lbs heavier (or more in some cases)!!! no big loss missiongirl...IMO. :)

[missiongirl]

Oh hey Soccermom!! I've been a bit outta the looop these days. What is going on with you how are you doing :) I'm finally able to get out and go for walks & do some stuff from they hyster surg. My belly gets super swelly by late afternoon - have to change clothes into sweats - funny how it grows!! At least I'll have a bunch of sweats for after the hip surg (still no call, but that's expected july-aug for date). Oh really re: the reunion lol - really I'd rather get together with my old pals from my early 20's - more things to laugh at from that age lol - well...I think we'd remember stuff....LOL!!

[soccermom]

hey MG:
glad to hear you are up and around...gets better from here regarding that surgery you had!!!:D

i'm ok...good days and bad days, but many many more good! hip is now about 8 wks i suppose. PT says that i am farther with this one than the other 2 times before, so that is encouraging. very little clicking and catching. some soreness and still a fair amount of weakness from the psoas release. i think that is going to make things longer this time. i get so mad about the weakness sometimes. but i knew that would be several months to get most of that strength back.

i got the bikes all loaded up to take the kids and my husband for a ride and then it started to rain. so we are going to go for a fun family ride tomorrow morning. so things are looking up!

i am still keeping my fingers crossed that this repaired labrum holds....so far, so good.
soccermom

[soccermom]

so here i am 2 1/2 months post op for the revision on my left hip that included an osteoplasty, labral repair and psoas release!

PT yesterday consisted of things i have never gotten to do in PT! so i must be beyond where i have been the 2 prior times...nice to know. i worked with the athletic trainer and had some fun finally.

both hips are holding out well...the right is great (fixed in oct of 07) and the left is coming along nicely. only occasional groin pain in that left and it does get really tight after PT.

i was told to not run until nov but i did do a tiny bit the other day...it wasn't too bad. i am considering playing a recreational soccer league in sept??? am i crazy???

my ankle, however, is completely shot! i went and got a cortisone injection in it monday and it has helped a little, but not much. my ankle surgeon looked at me and i cut him off before he could even say it...."NO SURGERY" i said. i cannot get back on crutches again. besides, i promised my family i would stay off of them for 1 year.

hang in there everyone...there are answers...
soccermom

[AJF]

I think you are very foolish running when you have been specifically told not to! :(

IMO I would only start specific activities when you get the ok from the surgeon.

Sorry!

AJF

[oscarsmum]

Hi Soccermom

Really glad things are going so well for you.
I can understand how you are desparate to get back to running, I really miss lots of things that I have cut down on due to these stupid hips! Its great to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for you, but please don't push too hard and end up taking a backward step ( easy for me to say , I know, when I haven't even had surgery yet!)I don't think you are crazy wanting to start soccer ( well maybe just a tiny bit, lol) but I do think you should get the OK from your surgeon first. Remember the times when you just wanted to get through a day at work without strong pain meds and excrutiating pain? Sleepless nights? Don't think you want to put yourself back there.

Hope the ankle holds, and you've done awesome with your recovery- enjoy it!
Kate x

[soccermom]

No sense of humor out there????? :)
I jogged the length of the soccer field...not a marathon!!! I know, I know...you have my best interests in mind. There is no flippin way i could play a game of soccer anyway...but it is fun to dream about the possibilities, isn't it???
My ankle may be my hip's saving grace.

[oscarsmum]

No sense of humor out there????? :)
I jogged the length of the soccer field...not a marathon!!! I know, I know...you have my best interests in mind. There is no flippin way i could play a game of soccer anyway...but it is fun to dream about the possibilities, isn't it???
My ankle may be my hip's saving grace.

We have got to have goals

Keep dreaming :D

[soccermom]

thanks, oscarsmum...you'll keep me honest! :)

[missiongirl]

Hi all, I have been MIA for awhile lol!! Thought I'd check in to say hey!

I've been busy with appt's, recovery and stuff & most of all vacation, which totally saved my butt!! I am still waiting to hear from my hip surgeon either this month or next, I'm all good with waiting a bit more as I'm still recovering from my hyster surg, but doing nicely with that now - I can actually walk amongst the day walkers and half hazzardly participate between that & the hip lol!! Oh man how I missed every day stuff!

Soccermom you sound like you are really coming along!! So was it the 2.5 month mark that you hit that progress curve? I so get trying to run, I bet it did more for the head than anything! I actually did a bit of swimming on vacation, lite, & did wonders for me, it's my fav activity and I felt myself return......I missed me!! I know you hipsters get what I mean lol!! Hell yeah!! It's amazing what even 10 min of your fav activity can do you even at a pathetic pace so you rock on soccermom! Do be careful but so know you will!

Later MG

[AMadrona]

Hi MG!
Good to hear from you and that you were able to do some of your fav activities on vacation, even for just a bit. I played a little tennis yesterday (didn't run for anything) and it felt really good. There is another tennis player at my club who apparently had significant hip surgery from the Bellevue doc two months ago. I haven't had a chance to talk with him to see how he is doing, but he apparently was in the work outroom. Was going to e-mail the hockey guy today to see how he is recovering. My hub and I will be at Yellow Point starting this Friday for 10 days. Looking forward to relaxing and not working. It will be different though, since we used to play tennis for six hours a day, in addition to biking, swimming. . . Will need to find a lot of good books to read. My hub's herniated disk in his neck is worse than my hip these days though, which is not good. He has no options. The cortisone didn't work and apparently the docs said even surgery wouldn't help his condition. Let me know how you are doing and if you are seeing any of the other docs anytime time. AM

[missiongirl]

Hello there AM:)

Herniated disk, that was it! I so feel for your hubby the pain must be incredible. So now I'm guessing research on that to help one cope? I'm glad he has you to understand and get him through.

Congrats on the up-coming holiday! That has been a long wait for a good break. With work it's putting in extra hours and effort just to get a break but the pay-off is in a few days and the wave of relief will flow as soon as you hit the ferrie!! For me, as soon as I put my bags down in the resort, grabbed a fruity cocktail and inhaled the fresh sea air and listened to the waves, I was a new individual - so shall u 2 be!! Have a fantastic time!! Bring a few good books and enjoy - I'm reading a few ritenow! With the injuries the activities take longer & more effort anyway so you should still feel you've accomplished the flurry of activities you did in the past so you will still get that fab feeling - worked for me!!!

Hope you can chat with the tennis player that had surgery fromBellevue doc, I would be most interested in hearing their experience & where they are now. It would be nice if hockey player also shared his experience... I never tire of gaining this info. I am doing better physically. The recovery from my last surgery has jumped dramatically in the last 2 weeks. In many ways I feel like my old self coming back being able to rejoin society and particpate in things even socially I couldn't for over a year. Nothing can beat that! I am so happy, the pain is less constant dealing with just the one issue now.

Had an MRI yesterday, seeing another doc next week, to see what there is to see and I feel like I'm not in limbo anymore - good feeling!! I'm in a great place in my head & can I say - how awesome is this weather anyway?!! Thought about you as hubbie and I went to Tulalip (sp?) to buy him a suit for 2 weddings we are attending. So close to your place! I was able to keep up my stamina much better than before with less pain - wasn't hopped up on all kinds of drugs for a change lol!! Chat soon AM have a wonderful trip!!

[soccermom]

anyone retear a sutured labrum or maybe there is a "flap" that is getting caught? started about 3 weeks ago when i got into the car! not real bad, but seems a little worse as time goes on and catching every once in awhile. ortho not concerned....probably because there is nothing to do about it!
soccermom

[oscarsmum]

anyone retear a sutured labrum or maybe there is a "flap" that is getting caught? started about 3 weeks ago when i got into the car! not real bad, but seems a little worse as time goes on and catching every once in awhile. ortho not concerned....probably because there is nothing to do about it!
soccermom

Hi
things aren't going so well.
How long since your last surgery, Soccermom? I seem to think its a few months now, I presume that you have done the anti inflams, rest ,icing etc. It sounds like you could have retorn the labrum- really hope not for your sake, you seemed to be doing so well. Why is your ortho not concerned? What about an MRA?

Hope its just a minor hiccup, maybe overdoing things, will keep fingers crossed for you,
Keep us posted
Kate

[soccermom]

i am still doing quite well compared to 1 and 2 years ago...but i was wondering if anyone has had a flap from the sutures come apart maybe? occasional catch but nothing too awfully bad. surgeon not concerned because there would be really nothing to do this soon out of surgery...4 mos. i am still ok to keep doing everything and have now been given permission to start running again...in short distances.

i got stuck on a bike trail last week when my hip caught...good thing i was right next to a winery! stopped for a bottle...

soccermom

[focus_911]

WOW I've just realise we have an oscarsmom and a soccermom. I kept reading all this time, the same name:eek:

Sorry ladies:D

[missiongirl]

Heelllo!

Ok got back from holidays, in total pain again from all the driving with the hip but otherwise it was a fantastic trip. I received company from Alberta the next morning so no rest - but no complaints!! Guess who has surgery on Friday?!!!! Going through with it!

Oh btw soccermom I totally get that flap thing and it sure hurts! Must run and socialize with company and enjoy this fabulous day!! MG!!

[soccermom]

I'll be thinking of you Friday MG...best of luck.
soccermom

[missiongirl]

Thanks Soccermom! It is happening so fast after such a long wait lol!! Hardly received any notice but maybe that is best & I'm diving in. I will check in when I have my wits about me!! to infinity & beyond lol!! MG

[hotchickie]

Hello all! I know how long my surgery is going to be, but I was wondering, on average, how long it takes to arthroscopically repair the labrum and deal with FAI. Thanks! :)

[oscarsmum]

Good luck MG.
I had mine done yesterday and have absolutley no pain whasoever!
Kate

[missiongirl]

Good luck MG.
I had mine done yesterday and have absolutley no pain whasoever!
Kate


No way!!!!! You know, thanks for that, cause with surg coming up so quick I've being having flashbacks to my surgery 3 months ago jumping on the op table - so I'm so pleased you shared that you just made my day Kate!!!:D High 5!! And congrats on yours!!!! So happy for you!! MG

[oscarsmum]

Glad to help!
Also the lady in the bed next to me also didn't have any pain, we were both kept in overnight as is hospital policy here but neither of us needed any pain relief at all.As long as I don't put too much weight through the leg it feels far better than pre op.
Will be thinking of you Friday
Good luck
Kate x

[AJF]

Hello all! I know how long my surgery is going to be, but I was wondering, on average, how long it takes to arthroscopically repair the labrum and deal with FAI. Thanks! :)

Anything from one hour to one and a half hours. All depends on the degree of impingement and the size of the tear. Fifty minutes would be seen as a quick op!

AJF.

[soccermom]

Anything from one hour to one and a half hours. All depends on the degree of impingement and the size of the tear. Fifty minutes would be seen as a quick op!

AJF.

mine was 4 1/2 hours this last time (revision scope for labral repair, psoas release and impingemnt treatment) and 3 hours for the scope on my other hip (labral debridement and impingement treatment). my first scope was a simple scope for debridement only and it lasted a little over an hour...but of course it ended up needed that revision a year later.
soccermom

[oscarsmum]

Mine was one and a half hours, that was just debridement and thermal capsulorraphy as far as i know.

Kate

[hotchickie]

Thanks guys! I was just wondering if my quoted 2-hour (minimum) surgery was reasonable. I don't even have a surgery date and I can get myself nervous. ugh. but it is a comfort to know that some ppl (ie oscarsmum) are not in too much pain afterwards. thanks again.

[suz82]

Hi,

Im new to the forum but this seems to be the place to get some answers.

I am 26 and for the last 15mths have been gtting progressively worse hip pain which was brought on through my military training. Last sept I was pulled off course and have been having physio and daily rehab since. I was referred to a surgeon in feb when an mri showed some signs of impingement. (i had had various thoughts from people for the few months prior of stress fractures etc which were all ruled out). I finally saw him at the end of june, following an assessment he onfirmed that he thinks there is some impingement based on the loud clunk he could hear/feel, this is the same clunk i get if a try to cycle or do anything that brings the hip past 90 degrees then straight again. He then referred me fro another MRI but this time with contrast dye. Tht was in july and I am now waiting to see the surgeon again in oct to discuss the results. I have had the written report back but not seen scans. I have a build up of bone rund the femoral neck presumably causing the impingement and also a detached and frayed labrum with some signs of wear to the cartlidge in the acetabulum. I think that is right but I haven't got the paper with me so can't quite remember.

I have been getting good care as is to be expected with the forces but there is only so much they can do at the moment. The physio has been good at keeping my hips in line and working at general strength in the joint as I was getting some sacroiliac dysfunction to start with, this has improved from the strength work and core stability exercises that i have got so good over the last year! I had gone for 2 months with little problems and was able to increase the weights that i was doing for leg strength, do a small amount of cross trainer work and even started doing press ups again which was a novelty. Unfortunately I aggrevated the hip again last week in hydrotherapy by pushing it abit too hard aqua jogging and the dreaded clunk was felt leading to me being bck to limping around and not even able to do basic core work. The physio can't do anything as i've just caught the tear again and so have been sent home for a few days rest.

I is all becoming very frustrating waiting and I just want to get whatever surgery they will do out of the way so i can rehab and get back to my training.

Sorry for the long post but thought best to put in all the details i could.

My main reason for posting is for any advice for what questions to ask the surgeon when I finally get to see him again? Also realistically how long after surgery will it take to be fully load bearing, running etc. For my training i need to be able to run with weight and take high impact. I still have 20 weeks of my course to complete when I return.

Thanks in advance for any help

Suz

[AJF]

Hi,

Im new to the forum but this seems to be the place to get some answers.

My main reason for posting is for any advice for what questions to ask the surgeon when I finally get to see him again? Also realistically how long after surgery will it take to be fully load bearing, running etc. For my training i need to be able to run with weight and take high impact. I still have 20 weeks of my course to complete when I return.

Thanks in advance for any help

Suz

Every case is different, but in my case I was told no running or impact sports for 6 months (large bone lesion on anterior side of the femour head and neck).

Others who have posted have been given different advise.

AJF

[focus_911]

Hi there,
Non weight bearing for 2 weeks, as posted above to impact sports for 6 months.

[Vixen]

Hi Suz.

1. Where do you live ?
2. Search through the threads here and you will find people have posted the best surgeons for this specialist operation in most parts of the world. ( sounds like you may be in the States, if so details in one of the rercent threads )
3. Get into one of the those surgeons ASAP
4. From your description you have an FAI causing the damage, this will not be fixed until you have surgery, no amount of physio will make a difference.
5. 3months + is usual to get back to competitive sport and the training you are describing.

Good luck and act now would be my advice.

[suz82]

Hi Vixen,

Im in the UK, i'm seeing a surgeon on the nhs who is apparantly the 2nd best hip specialist in the country so i'm in good hands, unfortunately it just means i'm having to wait longer to see him. Ive got mynext appointment Oct 13th so hopefully it shouldn't be too long after that for surgery.

I've just been reading various posts and sometimes i think that that is a bad idea as you seem to see all the bad stuff.

It seems that having the problem labrum removed is more successful in terms of rehab/length of rehab but not as strong long term where having it repaired takes longer but if successful is a better option. Is this correct?

Argh, i think im worrying too much now. Sorry for being a pain and asking so many questions but unfortunately I'm a first for my med centre, physios and remedial instructors with this injury so noone can ease my worries or tell me facts, thats down to the surgeon and thats nearly a month away still.

Suz

[oscarsmum]

Hi Suz

I am in the UK ,and am 1 week post op for Arthroscopy. My issues are slightly different to yours as my tears were caused by dysplasia ( shallow hip sockets) that I have had since a child. However, the op itself has been really easy, and although the recovery is slow ( and my surgeon seems quite conservative compared to the ones in the US) it is pain free.
From what info I have gathered , if the tears are caused by FAI (impingement) and this is dealt with at the time of the arthroscopy , then the outlook is really promising.

Who is the consultant that you are seeing, and where in the UK are you?

Keep us updated
Good luck,

Kate

[suz82]

Hi Kate,

I'm from Harrogate but currently based in Lincoln, im seeing Dr Ernest Schilder at Bradford Royal Infirmary.

Who did you see / where are you? I'm glad to hear your doing ok post op. How much is your surgeon letting you do? I think i would rather take it slow and get it right, ive been off so long now that an extra couple of months wont matter if it means getting stronger in the long term. I am lucky as I will only have to do rehab post op so wont have anything else effecting me getting better.

Nice to hear from you

Suz

[oscarsmum]

Hi Suz
I'm just across the bridge from you!

I am also under Mr Schilders- hes just been made a Proffessor but is very modest about it !
He is a very nice man and a wonderful surgeon- if you are under him you have nothing to worry about, I trust him totally! I am on two crutches for 4 weeks and off work for AT LEAST two months( I do office work but it involves standing/ walking all day).

Don't worry about anything, you are in excellent hands, and the staff at Bradford are all wonderful too.

Good luck
Kate

[hotchickie]

I am on two crutches for 4 weeks and off work for AT LEAST two months

Wow, that seems quite a long time. I am due to have the scope to deal with FAI, labral tear, and a cyst and the surgeon said that I would be on crutches for one day and up and about on the second or third day. If you don't mind me asking, what did you have done? Maybe your's was more involved thus the longer time on crutches. Good luck with your recovery!

[oscarsmum]

Wow, that seems quite a long time. I am due to have the scope to deal with FAI, labral tear, and a cyst and the surgeon said that I would be on crutches for one day and up and about on the second or third day. If you don't mind me asking, what did you have done? Maybe your's was more involved thus the longer time on crutches. Good luck with your recovery!

Seems a long time to me too, compared to others on here. He warned me pre-op that it would be a slow recovery. I only had labral tears debrided, a cyst and capsule tightening( tho I'm not sure whether he did that or not).If this doesn't work I need to have a PAO so am happy to follow his instructions as I really want to avoid that.

Kate

[AJF]

Wow, that seems quite a long time. I am due to have the scope to deal with FAI, labral tear, and a cyst and the surgeon said that I would be on crutches for one day and up and about on the second or third day. If you don't mind me asking, what did you have done? Maybe your's was more involved thus the longer time on crutches. Good luck with your recovery!

What your surgeon has quoted sounds about right.

I am not able to commit on what OscarsMum is having done, but for example had you had to have what is refered to as Multifracture where the surgeon drills tiny holes in the hip socket to stimulate cartilidge growth on bare patches of the labram, then you could be on crutches for anything up to 8 weeks.

Good luck with the operation.

AJF.

[missiongirl]

FYI:

Had my surgery at UBC in Van Friday. The OS said it went well and I actually feel pretty darn good. I get sick after surgery & had a long ride home in rush hour traffic so I drugged myself up & slept. I ate take out a few hours later LOL - I'm an eater lol! I am not in much pain, just taking motrin last 2 days, though I am tired. I really tried to move around a lot yesterday doing stuff for myself & had company. The bod is sore from all the time on the crutches - my core sucks as I had abdominal surg end of May, but I can see that is all going to change.

My husband was on his cell phone in waiting room so I can't recall everything OS said upon waking up from surgery being on drugs n'all lol!! He said it went well, me sewed up my tear and my sheet I was sent home with did not indicated (not ticked off in box) that I had FAI - so that's great! I wish I knew the nutsn'bolts of what he did but I don't, a tad annoying but really - I'm in recovery mode anyway & it's been done so I guess I'll find out later LOL!

I am to be on crutches no weight bearing for 6 weeks, start physio in 7 - 10 days, return to normal activities in 4 - 6 months. I have a whole sheet to give Physio as to what he wants them to do with me so that's fabulous:)

Hey you guys should have told me how wonderful a recliner would be for this operation lol! Man I didnt' have one and getting into bed & laying on couch first 2 days was a total pain in the area - hubby bought me one the next day and I'm loving it -way may easier first few days to be mobile.

I am super happy with how pleasant this op was and the recovery so far is much easier than the last op I had. I do need help doing stuff but I'm already pushing the independance as I am stubborn lol. Thanks everyone for your feed back and sharing your expereinces, it is so nice to be on this side of the fence finally! MG

[suz82]

Kate,

Thanks ever so much for your post, can't begin to say what a relief it is to know im with the right person. Did you stay in overnight or is it just a day procedure?

I hadn't noticed on your post that you were from yorkshire, Im actually from knaresborough but generally people dont know it so its easier to say harrogate!!

Well it sounds like its going in the right direction for you, hopefully mine will go as smoothly.

Suz

[focus_911]

FYI:

Had my surgery at UBC in Van Friday. The OS said it went well and I actually feel pretty darn good. I get sick after surgery & had a long ride home in rush hour traffic so I drugged myself up & slept. I ate take out a few hours later LOL - I'm an eater lol! I am not in much pain, just taking motrin last 2 days, though I am tired. I really tried to move around a lot yesterday doing stuff for myself & had company. The bod is sore from all the time on the crutches - my core sucks as I had abdominal surg end of May, but I can see that is all going to change.

My husband was on his cell phone in waiting room so I can't recall everything OS said upon waking up from surgery being on drugs n'all lol!! He said it went well, me sewed up my tear and my sheet I was sent home with did not indicated (not ticked off in box) that I had FAI - so that's great! I wish I knew the nutsn'bolts of what he did but I don't, a tad annoying but really - I'm in recovery mode anyway & it's been done so I guess I'll find out later LOL!

I am to be on crutches no weight bearing for 6 weeks, start physio in 7 - 10 days, return to normal activities in 4 - 6 months. I have a whole sheet to give Physio as to what he wants them to do with me so that's fabulous:)

Hey you guys should have told me how wonderful a recliner would be for this operation lol! Man I didnt' have one and getting into bed & laying on couch first 2 days was a total pain in the area - hubby bought me one the next day and I'm loving it -way may easier first few days to be mobile.

I am super happy with how pleasant this op was and the recovery so far is much easier than the last op I had. I do need help doing stuff but I'm already pushing the independance as I am stubborn lol. Thanks everyone for your feed back and sharing your expereinces, it is so nice to be on this side of the fence finally! MG

Excellent news Missiongirl. GLad to hear everything went well. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to not have had the chance to chat with your surgeon after the surgery. After my last wrist surgery (march 08) the same thing happened to me. They had some complications in the O.R. and the anesthetist drugged me WELL post op. Needless to say, had a hard time coming back to and I missed the surgeon. Didn't know anything at all about the surgery until I saw my ortho surgeon 2 weeks later! talking about stress eh.

Keep us posted on your recovery and TAKE IT EASY. You have come to far to push yourself to early and potentially hurt yourself in the middle of recovery. Sending hugs from Calgary your way.

[Vixen]

Calgary stampede focus ?

[focus_911]

Absolutely!

"Cow town" Calgary, come on over and we'll take you for a tour :D

http://calgarystampede.com/ or for the horse lovers http://www.sprucemeadows.com/

[oscarsmum]

Hi Suz,

It was an overnight stay, they get you up and on crutches the next morning , then you are good to go.
Knaresborough is a lovely place, you are lucky to be from there. I am at Brough, about 5 mins from Humber Bridge.
Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.

MG

Glad to hear everything has gone well,
Good luck with the recovery, we can compare notes,lol

Kate x

[soccermom]

YEAH MG! glad you are on your way to recovery. take it easy. i want to keep in touch with you because you have a repair now too it seems.

i made the call back to the surgeon's office today...was trying to wait. but sleepless last few days and my limp is back. kinda bummed today. the drive into work was miserable. i am so fearful that this has retorn....again.
soccermom

[missiongirl]

Kelly:

Yeah details come in handy lol. I felt a bit silly not being able to say what he did as naturally everyone is interested (including me) and asking lol! But the drug haze is a very good excuse lol! I did warn them that I don't do well coming out of it and am sensitive to drugs. The oxycodone gave me quite a trip 2nd nite, though it was hilarious & amusing and sum mite enjoy this, I chose to just say NO after that lol!!

Oscarsmom:

Thanks for the kudos!! We will have to check in on eachother as we are so close together with our op's! How are you doing now? I can't believe how good I feel with my pain. I am also so pleased that I will be off of crutches b4 the snow falls out here. We usually get one big snow fall in November at my place, 2 blocks down there is usually nothing if you can believe it! The weather here rite now is also very hot so I have been enjoying sitting on my deck. I actually am going out today as I have another appt with a specialist for sumthing else downtown. I had this appt changed on me b4 surgery - most annoyed and have been waiting months for it. I promise I'll take it easy. My husband is very hands-on, should have been a nurse, so I won't really have a choice any way lol!! I was so proud of myself yesterday - I washed my hair mostly by myself, couldn't do the last few sprays - I have long hair so this a bit of a challenge. I'm doing so great!

Soccermom:

Thanks you too:) Yeah I'd like to keep in touch as well and see how we do. I'm so sorry to hear that you are having pain again and are worried. I would have called the surgeon as well - without a doubt!! I was worried too as my 2nd day when moving to lay on the couch my hubby lifted & shifted my leg - the shifting part was not good and I was in a lot of pain (I cried quite a bit) I felt so bad for him. I was much better the next day and better again the day after - but it scared the crap out of me! My best hopes are with you & I am sending positive thoughts out there for you. When do you see him?

MG

[soccermom]

thought i was going to be a big brave girl and wait it out and see if time would heal....but over the last couple days things have been not so fun. i am way sad and now are going for a hip injection....i can't believe i am back here again. i guess i have the one good hip. the office is supposed to get back with me regarding a day for the injection.
soccermom

[oscarsmum]

MG

Weather sounds great where you are- would swop it for dull rainy ole England! At least we don't get the snow till about February tho. Your hubby sounds great, make the most of it !! My husband is good too, but at work long hours at the mo, so I'm home alone most of the time.

I'm doing great though except for some painful catching that has started today. I have been putting more weight on my leg than my consultant recommended- gone down to one crutch in the house, supposed to still be on two, so am going to go back two for a few days to see if that helps.

Take it easy
Kate

[oscarsmum]

Soccermom,

So sorry you have had such a rough few days. You have been doing so well.

Hope you get the injection soon, and that it helps calm things down.

Kate

[soccermom]

thanks kate. i had that catching after every one of my surgeries...takes a few weeks to get rid of that and it eventually settles down. take care....
soccermom

[missiongirl]

Kate:

My husband can be gone for 16hrs at a time for days so I can relate. He has helps me by putting prepared fruits & veggies in containers for me so it's easier for me to eat those - thank goodness. How are you amusing yourself? So far I have watched a lot of movies & been reading. I am having a problem with getting chaffing under the arms from the crutches, I wear hoodies but it's beginning to hurt. My core isn't great since my last surg. Do you find this? I find myself balancing on 1 leg a lot. MG

Soccermom:

I hope that they are able to get you in for the injection soon. It's hard to hang in there when it goes on for so long. Has anyone had an opinion re: the problem? MG

[oscarsmum]

Hi MG

Ditto on the movies and reading, and the balancing on one leg- other hip is squealing a bit from that! Getting cabin fever now but seeing the OS tomorrow so hoping he'll give me permission to drive. Don't have the chaffing problem, as in the UK we are given elbow crutches. They are fairly comfy, but hurt your hands a bit if using them for long periods- weight lifting gloves help with that tho.
Take care
Kate

[missiongirl]

Kate,

Yeah I should get the gloves too, that's a Fab idea! I agree, the other leg gets sore from the balancing - I feel like I am doing yoga tree pose all the time. I keep thinking ..wouldn't it be easier to just walk on both my legs?!! 5 more weeks on these blasted things, I will have to make myself a promise of a pedicure or something to convince myself not to throw these things off the balcony by week 4 lol!

Man that would be awesome if you get to drive!! Good luck at the OS and getting out! As for me, I am going to hang out on my deck & annoy the neighbors.

[oscarsmum]

2 more weeks before I can drive and another four before I can start weaning off the crutches AAARGH!!!

My OS is being extra careful because of the dysplasia.I am a bit disappointed but I know its worth it if I can avoid a PAO, problem is, my gut feeling is that things are not any better, (or even slightly worse)but keep telling myself its too early to know. OS was hoping for some improvement already. Seeing him in six weeks so will see how things go then. I'll spend the next few weeks pedaling to nowhere on my stationary bike instead.

Please don't throw yourself off the balcony, MG.You might break the other leg-then you'd really be sorry !! lol
Have fun annoying the neighbours(gotta get something out of all this)

Hang in there
Kate x

[Jean M]

I'm really annoyed because I've just written a long post which I couldn't post ( had to refresh page and login again, thereby losing my post!).
So...........this is a check post

[Jean M]

Ok, I'll try this again, but this has happened twice now, so in future I'm not gonna write long posts!
So..........Hi to Soccermom,
So sorry to hear you're in pain and feeling down. So understandable. I can't remember how long it's been since your last op, but for me it's been 1.5 years and my body is STILL re-adjusting. Like, the other night I was watching TV & all of sudden realized something was different: my ROM on surgical side was near normal! I could almost get my knee down to where it used to go (so I was basically sitting cross-legged at this time). And here's the best part: without pain! I can only attribute this to s-l-o-w recovery; a mixture of physio exercises, & R & R wheenever I felt I'd overdone s/thing. Oh yeah, s/thing just happened on the weekend. I did 2+ hours of gardening & that night (and the following day) I was pain free as well! Go figure! The body is an amazing thing. Just when I started to think: "This is as good as it's ever gonna get" mu body told me a different story.
So......for those of you who've had hip surgery for labral tear/FAI, I say: be patient. Listen to your body. Keep a balance between activity & inactivity. Keep doing your exercises, but if it hurts, don't push through. I remember years ago always pushing through the pain at yoga class. Well, I don't believe you can do this with FAI.
However, having said all this, if some of you guyz think you've RE-TORN your labrum, that's a different matter. If I were you, I'd definitely get my hip re-checked to see if there's another tear.
Look, it isn't easy being in pain and misdiagnosed, then diagnosed properly but awaiting surgery, then finding out the surgery went well, but then finding your body is not recovering as fast as you hoped it would. This was certainly my scenario, and probably quite a few of you relate to it. But as someone who is perhaps a little further on than many, I'd like to think that my story gives some hope.
Hang in there, especially you Soccermom
Best wishes,
Jean

[missiongirl]

Kate:
4 more weeks on the crutches, oh shoot, sorry to hear that - it's seems trivial to complain about them after everything but I too feel annoyed on these darn crutches lol!! Here, I am shaking mine for you lol!!! Keep the faith, the whole healing thing just happens at personal pace rite?! You will hit your point when the bod is ready. Now we just need to find sumthing to amuse ourselves - like annoying the neighbors lol!!

Jean:
Loved your computer annoyance rant lol!! That is an honest and realistic point of view of recovery. When did you have your surgery again?

MG

[focus_911]

Kate:
4 more weeks on the crutches, oh shoot, sorry to hear that - it's seems trivial to complain about them after everything but I too feel annoyed on these darn crutches lol!! Here, I am shaking mine for you lol!!! Keep the faith, the whole healing thing just happens at personal pace rite?! You will hit your point when the bod is ready. Now we just need to find sumthing to amuse ourselves - like annoying the neighbors lol!!

Jean:
Loved your computer annoyance rant lol!! That is an honest and realistic point of view of recovery. When did you have your surgery again?

MG

Cute. I can just imagine all of us poor folks sitting at home in PJs with a pair of crutches against the desk, in front of our computers. Somehow its humorous :p

[Jean M]

Hi MG,
Surgery was April 2007. So..............a very slow recovery. I'm not 100%, but I really appreciate the "little" gains here and there. I honestly didn't think I would continue to improve at this point in time. And I'm REALLY grateful the high tech stitch/anchor hasn't come out or that I haven't re-torn the labrum. Fingers crossed!!

[missiongirl]

Kelly:

Yes it does hit the funny bone lol!! But so awesome to have partners in crime!! Luvin the PJ's & comfy wear too. I swear, I don't know if I'll be able to wear confining clothes again such as jeans ....with all this spandex going on lol! I'm already planning to get into the whole tights & sweater dresses thing as I progress into the world again - otherwise it just mite be too much for me handle lol!

Jean:

Wow so it's been almost 1.5 years for you. It is helpful to hear what to expect from ourselves in the future. I'm super pleased for you that you continue to make progress after that period of time. Seriously, that's good to hear! I keep worrying that the stitches will come undone too or something else, they better have put a good knot on that sucker lol!! WE will do amazing.

Just had my first physio, yawn, dull stuff except for the moving my leg out -sideways - crap that hurts & scares the crap outta me lol! My leg still feels kinda useless like it's sleepy with out the pins & needles though.

Chat later - MG:)

[Jean M]

I remember at 8 months I resumed physio (thought I'd give it another go after a bad experience at 8+ weeks). Anyway, for the first few months I had to endure HEAPS of pain; almost broke out in a sweat at times!! But I persisted, cos my gut instinct told me to, and by the 4th month or so the pain started to lessen. I finished off with some physio led exercise classes to re-educate the body about everyday movements, and slowly slowly my body seems to be releasing the spasms that gripped it for all those years whilst I was in pain, undiagnosed, then misdiagnosed and later, waiting for the surgery that would break the cycle of pain!
It should be said that the 8th+ month physio knew what she was doing. She works out of a physio centre that specializes in hips and pelvises. I can't stress this enough: find a physio who truly UNDERSTANDS fai!!!!!!
Good luck,
Jean

[Vixen]

I can't stress this enough: find a physio who truly UNDERSTANDS fai!!!!!!


So, so important.

[oscarsmum]

Kelly,

You so made me laugh with that description! Never worn so much leisure wear- if I could just ditch the crutches I would look like a real keep fit addict.

MG

I have had a list of exercises like the moving my leg to the side one to do 2-3 times a day from one day post op,but any that caused any discomfort I was told to have my partner support and move the leg, with me just doing a little of the work,or to use something like a dressing gown belt, until I got strong enough to do them alone. Was told this shouldn't hurt at all otherwise you are moving it to far.I had 10 different ones to do the first week, plus the stationary bike, and another 5 easy strengthening ones to add from a week out. Got up to about 15 mins twice a day on the bike so far, with no resistance though.
Hope that helps a little
Take care , take it easy
Kate

[missiongirl]

Kate:

I have about 6 diff exercises to perform. I find the moving the leg one to the side difficult. I wasn't allowed to do physio until 2 weeks after surgery. Can't believe you were put on exercise bike so soon! I mite have to buy one of those. One concern I have with my physio gal is that she has me doing hip flexor exercise already. I thought that was a no-no. I am sore today as a result & having muscle spasms in my leg. My OS is away, should try to contact him re: my surgery as I was out of it when we chatted, I think he menitoned Imite have a muscle prob I'm dealing with. I have difficulties doing resistance laying down,knees bent forward pushing on them with hands for resistance. Thanks for sharing what you are doing.

MG

[oscarsmum]

MG

I find the one to the side the hardest to, but not painful. I am not doing any resistance or hip flexor exercises at all. I have got to keep doing the same execises for the next two weeks, then see physio again to assess strength. If it has improved,and the muscles fire up better, he said we can move onto the next stage, which will include hydrotherapy.

Kate

[missiongirl]

Kate

Ok good - well kinda lol - to know you find the side to side hard too. I researched today re: labral tear physio and hip flexor stuff - from what I have seen, I am not supposed to be doing it atall. I will stop those, and I cancelled my physio with gal & booked elsewhere. I didn't see the point in continuing if I have already lost faith in her. Do they have you doing bridges at all - that I am curious to hear. I can't wait to move on up to hydro therapy. I was thinking about purchasing an aqua jogger belt - but maybe I am getting ahead of myself lol! Thanks for sharing!

MG

[Vixen]

I would be very careful Missiongirl, heard stories about people being sent to physios that know little about rehab from hip surgery, my research by talking to some physios confirms this.

[oscarsmum]

MG
Yes doing bridges,( if by that you mean lying on my back, knees bent and pushing pelvis up and holding).
Kate

[missiongirl]

Vixen:
Yeah for sure. I follow my gut on my care. If I don't feel it, I have learned not to waste my time. I believe all para or pro's have their areas where they excell so it's just a matter of finding that person. I have decided to drive to another city where I know the facility is good.

Kate:
Ok, then I will continue with my bridges as well lol - damn! They are not so bad, perhaps I am crusty from the muscle spasms lol!! Thanks again hey!

MG

[missiongirl]

Kate:

Found new physio guy and very happy. Had 2 other patients previously with my same OS. My new guy said that he won't let me do the exercise bike until 6 weeks post-op as he is concerned about inflammation in hip. Prev patient had big set back doing that. Hmmm - you seem fine. How are you managing? Have you started hydrotherapy? MG

[oscarsmum]

MG

Exercise bike is fine -up to 20mins twice a day with no problems whatsoever, no resistance though, although I do feel like I could add a little. Going to ask that next time I go. Seeing physio again next week, he was happy to let me continue with what I was doing until the muscles got a little stronger. Hopefully can go onto hydrotherapy next week. OS was very keen on starting bike as soon as poss post op.

How are you doing in general. I am doing good ,but I feel like I could do more and getting a little frustrated now with crutches, because I am keen to tryout my hip. I'm a little achy first thing in morning and at night but nothing much.

Glad you have found someone you are happy with. What else does he have you doing?
Kate x

[Sidney]

Kate:

Found new physio guy and very happy. Had 2 other patients previously with my same OS. My new guy said that he won't let me do the exercise bike until 6 weeks post-op as he is concerned about inflammation in hip. Prev patient had big set back doing that. Hmmm - you seem fine. How are you managing? Have you started hydrotherapy? MG


I had my labrum/FAI repair surgery on my right hip on Thursday and had my first PT session yesterday. We just did some very light stretches and that was it. He said that next week he's going to get me on a bike. I'll be pushing the pedal with my left leg, and my right foot will just be resting on the pedal moving in the circular motion. My right leg won't be doing any of the actual work though.

[missiongirl]

Kate:

This is the gist of what I am doing:
AROM hip abdom uni spine - laying down extending the leg outwards then in
AROM hip ext stand - leaning against counter extending leg back
AROM hip-knee flex (heel slides - laying down bending knee to butt
AROM bridging - ( this one he didn't agree with from previous physio but was surprised I could do it so well so said to continue on if it doesn't hurt)
ISO hip add sit (sitting with ball between legs and pushing inwards)
ISO knee flx sit (hamstring sets) - bending knee a bit and putting pressure on heel)
ISO hip gluteal sets (butt clenches lol)
practicing holding my core in as I've had difficulty with strength in that area from my previous surgery - I still get abdominal pain & swelling sumx which is normal.

See I don't do much hey?! I am to do 3 sets of 10 3x day. I find that a lot as I do a lot of walking on the crutches so I drag out my exercises and do longer holds and tend to do my exercises more like 2 - 3x day mostly - this works better for me and I have seen good progress doing this.

Physio guy said I am doing fantastic too so this is good. He said I will greatly increase my exercise level when I see him end of the week. He mentioned therabands, weights, and maybe hydro therapy in a week or 2 & dropping sum exercises. We'll see what he does with me. I am getting stronger too. The crutches do get annoying but totally sticking with program, and I def need them less with the strength returning. I took a tumble down the stairs yesterday though - nothing serious, acouple steps and landed on my feet (good & bad) I'm totally fine but I am a bit achy from it so resting it - good thing I'm used to automatically putting weight on good leg. I'm the same achy first thing in morning then again a bit at night.
Does your physio person have you massaging your incision area? Sounds like we are both doing great hey? I think the ticket is to rest when needed and keep moving.

[missiongirl]

I had my labrum/FAI repair surgery on my right hip on Thursday and had my first PT session yesterday. We just did some very light stretches and that was it. He said that next week he's going to get me on a bike. I'll be pushing the pedal with my left leg, and my right foot will just be resting on the pedal moving in the circular motion. My right leg won't be doing any of the actual work though.

Hi Sidney,

Congrats on the surgery!! That's great, I'm jealous you are on the bike. I'd like to be but my OS goes by a diff program so I'm following it. This is why I do a lot of walking on my crutches pretending I'm using the worked on hip to keep up the AROM. My incisions look really good too, quite small & glad as 2 are right on the front and 1 on side. Love mod medicine! Keep well and I'm so happy for u!

[oscarsmum]

MG,

Thanks for that. That is just about the same as my programme. I don't have the hamstring sets, but the rest is about the same, with a few internal/external rotations too, but the movement on those is very limited. Also active flexion (lying on back, knee bent and bring it to chest) and static quads.
I don't think I am walking anywhere near as much as you though, and I am always sore after even walking short distances( with crutches) . Am allowed to drive from this week (yay!) so am going to try and do a bit more to try and get used to walking more before I can start to ditch the crutches.
I haven't been told to massage the incision area, but its healed well so I'm sure it would be ok.
Glad to hear you're doing so well, sounds like we are both following similar programmes and at about the same stage.I also do them twice a day, I find thats enough to fit in. I will post after my next physio session on Thursday with any updates.

Keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing
Kate x

[missiongirl]

Kate,

Thank you too for sharing. It's helpful as we are so close with surgery dates. I was given the knee to chest one to do my first visit but I dropped it rite away as I would have muscle spasms and that doesn't help things. I don't do it, but I am practising bringing them closer when I am sitting throughtout the day.Yes I do a lot of walking on the crutches. Especially first thing in morning to wake up my muscles, then I do my physio stuff. I do not do the bike though, and you do. I think in the end we are really at the same place in things..so it appears we are on track! I do have days where I sit in my recliner elevating leg & ice/massage and don't walk as much. If I feel pain or spasming I super rest it and usually the next day I'm doing much better. I've had to rest a bit from the stairs incident.

BTW - so jealous you can drive - so ENVIOUS!! But I shall live vicariously through you!! Yes, do post after your next physio - and so glad you are doing so well!!

[Golden Girl]

I am obviously in the wrong forum but perhaps you can tell me which forum I should go to.
I am 64 years old female and have what I believe is a Labral Tear. I am from Canada and am going to New York City to see a specialist regarding this. I have researched the surgery for this but everyone is so young and real jocks. Anyone out there know of anybody my age that has had surgery for a labral tear? Love to hear from you.

[Vixen]

You are in the right forum.

[oscarsmum]

Hi,
You are in the right forum, as Vixen said.

Please tell us some more of your history. I have recentley had a hip arthroscopy, and there was a patient in the same day as me who was having her second hip scoped. she was 55, and had early arthritis. She had a good recovery from her first scope. She had had some success with her first hip, but was still considering having a resurfacing done in the near future as the scope hadn't helped with all her pain. I don't have anymore details about that , but hope it helps in some way.
Kate

[Jean M]

Don't worry about your age. Some of us are real young (early 20's) and some of us much older, like me (53). I've had arthroscope of my right hip to repair labral tear and shaving of bony growths on my femoral head. I'm one of the success stories, in terms of diminished pain/discomfort and slow regaining of former flexibility. This forum has a wealth of info - I suggest you read back all the posts (not all, but some I mean!). The fact that you're in Canada but willing and able to go to New York to see a specialist tells me you're moving in the right direction!

[oscarsmum]

Hey MG

Hows it going?

We do seem to be at about the same point.
Great news from physio today- been referred to hydrotherapy, waiting for an appointment, should be next week. Also been given a few more strengthening exercises to do, nothing major though. PT told me to drop the crutches in the house as he feels that it is starting to slow down the healing now, because the hip needs to weight bear to get stronger. I am really pleased ,but a little fearful as OS wants me on them for two more weeks. I have decided to go without them for short periods and see how I get on,but still use two outside or if the hip feels tired.It sounds daft, but I feel so free without them! Driving is going ok, but feel really sore afterwards so only doing it when necessary and hoping to build up gradually.
Think I will feel sore now I can start doing a bit more, but at the same time I feel like I have moved on to the next stage of recovery, so feel a lot less frustated in myself.

Hope things are going well for you,
Take care
Kate

[missiongirl]

Hey Kate!

That'll be fun to shake up the routine and do hydro therapy. I look forward to getting to that point but right now I just dont' have the balance so I think I'd be paranoid of slipping. Glad that you get to drive now. Yeah I could see it being tiring, it all adds up.

I had physio yesterday. I was given sum more core exercises to do. I do have difficulty from the previous surgery still, I get sore & tender around old incisions when doing core stuff, told to massage them. I think it's good though and will start doing them. I also am to use one crutch in house and 2 outside for now, until I get used to it. My good leg/hip are hurting me today from this change. I am going back & forth today to ease into it. So it looks like we are both SORE together LOL!! I was also given go-ahead for exercise bike. I don't have one but am searching for used.

Glad to hear things are going well for you!! Have a good weekend - MG

[Golden Girl]

Jean M
Hi Jean, I sent a reply to some of the responses I received but I do not see them posted. I am clicking on the paper with the feather at the bottom of the reply and wonder if I am doing that correct. Also I don't understand the difference between Post Quick Reply and Go Advanced. If you get this could you let me know?
Thank you
Golden Girl

[Vixen]

Post reply gives you more options, quick reply is simpler version of posting.

[Golden Girl]

Hi Vixen:
Thanks for coming to my rescue. I am new at this which is apparent. I have not written very much recently as I am waiting for my trip to New York to get a diagnosis on Monday. Hopefully I will get some answers and can get some help as the cortisone shot I had in the hip joint has totally lost it's effectiveness.
Have you heard of Point Lonsdale? I was fortunate enough to live there with my family for a year. It is not too far from Melbourne so I thought you would know.
Golden Girl

[Vixen]

Pl is a nice place, beaches not too busy and great access to the surf coast, great spot, bit warmer than Canada

[focus_911]

I bet it's been warmer. Just started snowing here:)

[Vixen]

Around 30 degrees yesterday, 5 months of summer and beaches ahead......bring it on !!

[oscarsmum]

I think we should all visit Vixen to recuperate!!

Dull and miserable here , about 12 degrees.

[Golden Girl]

I just returned from New York City for a diagnosis for my hip pain which I have had for over a year. I was convinced it was a Labral Tear as my symptoms were so much like the ones posted on this forum. The MRI equipment at the Hospital for Special Surgery must be a lot better than the one I had here in Canada. My MRI in Canada did not really show much of anything but the one at the Hospital for Special Surgery in NY not only found a very large labral tear, it also found a cyst and arthritis.
The surgeon originally thought an an labral repair and clean up of the joint might give me 5 years before I would require a hip replacement, but when he saw the MRI he said even if he did I scope I would still have pain because of the arthritis, so it would be best for me at my age to just go for the hip replacement. It is much easier to find a surgeon in Canada to do that than a scope. In fact he knew 3 orthopedic surgeons nearby that he has met at Medical Conferences over the years and could strongly recommend.
I cannot say enough good things about the Hospital for Special Surgery. I spent the whole day having xrays, examinations, consultations, MRI and finally a diagnosis. That would normally take forever so it was great to finally get some answers and I am very thankful that at least my problem is fixable and apparently I will be totally pain free in that hip afterwards.
For all of you out there that are so much younger than I and where a hip replacement is not even an option due to your age, I wish you the very best. I will continue to check on this forum to see how you are all doing.
Thank you for your support and patience with this Golden Girl.

[suz82]

Hi,

Haven't been on for a while as not much access to the internet.

I finally saw the surgeon in Oct and initially he want ed to try an injection to confirm it was the labral tear causing the pain. I had to push to go straight to the op as i'm on a time limit (i'll get kicked out of the air force in a few months if no improvement) and he finally agreed but can't do it until Feb so i'm back to waiting patiently, I've still not had a date due to various muck ups with my records but should get one in the next couple of weeks.
In the meantime I am getting concerned i've done more damage as i seem to be getting the aching alot more than usual and it doesn't ease off on a night like it use to. I've managed to avoid it clunking for quite some time though which is good at least i know how far i can push it now. I am getting increasingly frustrated with not being able to do anything other than walking and upper body weights and cant wait to get the surgery out of the way, although i am now getting quite scared in the run up to it.

To make up for it though I have been posted out to Cyprus until i have to return to the uk for the op so I cant complain too much. Its nice and warm and the jobs easy.

Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year to all.

Suz

[oscarsmum]

Hi Suz

Glad to hear things are moving forward for you, let me know when you have a date, I got mine about 6 weeks before the op. You will need a pre op appointment about a week before, and should also see Mr Schilders about the same time.
Don't be scared about having the surgery, there is really nothing to worry about. I and the lady who had one the same time as me both found it really easy, and neither of us needed any pain relief at all whilst we were in the hospital. The staff at Bradford were lovely, and explained everything very well and really put you at ease. I was really nervous the day before, but if I needed this surgery again I wouldn't be the least bit worried( in fact it was easier than going to the dentist!!)

Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions,
Enjoy the warmth of Cyprus, Yorkshire is damp and miserable!
Happy New Year
Kate x

[suz82]

Hi Kate,

I guess i'm just getting nervous. He says he's going to try repair the detached bit, shave the bone and lengthen a tendon at the front, and added 'anything else he might find' as if he was expecting more. Its not so much the surgery itself that scares me, infact that intrigues me more than anything I'm gonna ask if they can record it, Its the post surgery bit thats the scary bit. I think I've also worried myself by reading about all the people that haven't improved or that have taken a while to get there. I'm on a very short time limit and everything from the surgery through to rehab has to go smoothly if i stand any chance of getting back to my training and graduating. I know in the long run that it is my overall health that is most important but my career is everything to me too.

I've been told that i'll most likely be non weight bearing for around 4 weeks so not looking forward to being on crutches for all that time.

How quickly did the wounds heal? Did you have some form of dressing on? Were you able to have showers/bath?

Thanks for easing my mind though. I'm sure i'll have lots of other questions in the run up. Cyprus is indeed lovely and certainly not the xmas weather ive been used to. Xmas dinner even finished cooking on the bbq!!

Hows your recovery going?

Suz
x

[oscarsmum]

Hi Suz,
Mr Schilders is very conservative and will not rush the recovery. I was told four weeks on crutches, but at the two week post-op he decided to keep me on them for six weeks, so be prepared for that! You will also find it takes another few weeks to get off them completely as you will have good and bad days. He also is very keen on the exercise bike, if you have access to one you can use it , with no resistance, from one day post-op and it really helps. I know it is frustating, especially in your situation, but don't rush things, you will only put yourself backwards( most of us has found that by experiance!)
The wounds are tiny. I had two, with a couple of stitches in each which were removed after one week. You will be given spare dressings, and I kept mine dry until the sutures were removed, but you can bath and shower.I found it easier to have a shallow bath and keep the dressing out of the water.
My recovery is pretty slow. I am about 31/2 months post-op, but not back to pre-op levels yet and certainly not better, BUT don't let that put you off!!! I have dysplasia, and was told by Mr Schilders before the surgery that it might not work, and he has since referred me to London to consider realignment surgery. So please don't go by my experiance, it is a completely different situation to yours. I am still glad I tried the Arthroscopy, and I have issues with the other hip and would definatley have it again if it was necessary.Don't be nervous, it really is no big deal, you just need to be patient and do as he recommends whilst recovering.
Good luck
Kate x

[suz82]

Whoop Whoop,

Finally have a date, Ive been pencilled in for the 10th Feb so not long to wait now. Just a shame I have to leave sunny Cyprus!!

Suz

[Rayray]

Great to hear you have a date and that really is not too far away.

Where will you recover UK or Cyprus?

Good Luck.

[oscarsmum]

Thats great!!

When do you need to come back to the UK?

Kate

[suz82]

Kate,

Unfortunately it looks like I'll be back in the uk next week :( It is good though as i finally get sorted but was enjoying the nice warm weather and by all accounts its freezing in the UK. Apparently I've got to have 2 appointments pre surgery, one at St Lukes then one with Prof Schilders. Not sure now where i'll be having surgery as the pre assessment is at St Lukes, will find out tomorrow along with definate dates.

Ray Ray,

I will be recovering in the UK but have been told that if I want to go back out at any point to give them a call, I'm thinking May/June time would be awesome as nice and hot without being too much. It will all depend on the physios where i'm based, they like to keep an eye on you and theres a set rehab programme to follow to get back on course so we'll see.

Suz

[sueyorkshire]

Hi suz,
Just been reading your thread, good luck with the operation, I had mine February last year with Dr Schilders, After 16 weeks it was like a miracle back to normal, unfortuantely it hasnt lasted with me and I am back to good and bad days, dont be put off by this, I was one of the early ones and my daughter had it 2 months after me and is so much better. I would most definately have it again as I am sure it works in a lot of cases I have just been unlucky. The operation is nothing to worry about, mine was virutally pain free and no worse than I was before the operation. I was encouraged off my crutches after 4 weeks but my daughter was 6 weeks, although you could partially weight bear immediately. I did use the bike and started to walk more as soon as I was allowed. The physio was very good and the hydrotherapy brilliant. I go back in February and will have to wait and see what he says. I will keep an eye on this thread and see how you go on.

Hi Kate,
How are things with you, have you been to London yet and if so what did they say. Sorry I havnt time to read through all the thread to check up.
Happy New Year to you all both pre op and post op.

sue[/i]

[oscarsmum]

Hi Sue,

Things are about the same for me as they were at about ten weeks post-op.I am still waiting for an appointment in London, surprise, hey this is the NHS!! Might ring tomorrow to make sure I'm still somewhere in the system.
Sorry things aren't any better for you, will be interested in what he says when you next see him. I got the feeling he is reluctant to go back in again, he said to me he can't just keep removing cartilage(although that goes without saying, I know). Are things bad enough to consider a resurfacing or replacement of some kind? I know someone else who has a failed arthroscopy and he referred her for a resurfacing. Hope you get some answers when you go.

Suz,
Welcome back to the UK, hope its not too much of a shock to the system after sunny Cyprus. Hope evrything went OK with the pre assesssment. Think the surgery will be at BRI. Staff there are really nice.

Take care all
Kate

[sueyorkshire]

Hi Kate,
I doubt Prof. Schilders will go back in again. I had a tear which is said he cauterisedor something similar. (sorry I am not very good with all the technical jargon). I am not sure if any of your suggestions will help me, I would imagine a hip replacement would, but the thought of having all the time off again isn't a great prospect. I feel as though it has torn again and I have been very careful so it doesn't look like the procedure worked for me. I will have to wait and see what he says.
Sorry you are having such a long wait. It must be the hip problems which are such a long wait, I have a friend who needs an operation on her disc and has been told she will get it in 4 weeks.
Dont know about you but I cant imagine ever feeling much better. Anyway only time will tell. As I said earlier though it definately was working for me, just a shame it didnt last.
Sue

[suz82]

Hi,

Well my op is coming round fast, its 2 wks today and it couldnt come soon enough. I had a set back last week and my physio thinks i my have pulled more cartilidge away. Im in agony half the time and back on the damn crutches. You have thought my hip might have just had the courtesy to hold on a few more weeks but ohwell at least it will be sorted soon. My concern now is that the new inflammation will effect the success of the op. Does anyone know how this effects things or am i just worrying unneccessarily? Ive got my pre op assessment with prof schilders next mon so im sure he'll put my mind at ease then.

Hows everyone else doing?

Suz

[oscarsmum]

Hi,

Well my op is coming round fast, its 2 wks today and it couldnt come soon enough. I had a set back last week and my physio thinks i my have pulled more cartilidge away. Im in agony half the time and back on the damn crutches. You have thought my hip might have just had the courtesy to hold on a few more weeks but ohwell at least it will be sorted soon. My concern now is that the new inflammation will effect the success of the op. Does anyone know how this effects things or am i just worrying unneccessarily? Ive got my pre op assessment with prof schilders next mon so im sure he'll put my mind at ease then.

Hows everyone else doing?

Suz

I am sure Prof Schilders will put your mind at rest, good luck with the appointment , be sure to write all your questions down!
Let me know how it goes
Kate

[runner01]

Hi all
If any one can help me out or has any advice for me that would be great.Ive just recived my MRI results 2day aftar 18mths of groine pain and showed a small labral tear anteriorly,lying just deep to illipoas and mild osteitis pubis.what treatment is their for this and will i have to have sugery or can it heal by its self as im a very keen runner i need to get back to full training and dont want to worry if it will tear again.im seeing a sports doc tomorrow but would be good if any one can help me out.

[oscarsmum]

Hi all
If any one can help me out or has any advice for me that would be great.Ive just recived my MRI results 2day aftar 18mths of groine pain and showed a small labral tear anteriorly,lying just deep to illipoas and mild osteitis pubis.what treatment is their for this and will i have to have sugery or can it heal by its self as im a very keen runner i need to get back to full training and dont want to worry if it will tear again.im seeing a sports doc tomorrow but would be good if any one can help me out.

Hi
The labrum doesn't have a good blood supply so it won't heal itself.My advice is to have the surgery to treat the labral tear whilst it is still a small tear(sometimes it can be bigger than the scan shows tho) and then do lots of physio to help the OP. You should look into why the labrum has torn in the first place though, make sure you are evaluated for FAI and hip dysplasia because if you have either of these issues and they are not adressed at the time of surgery then you will continue to retear!It is a minor surgery if done as an Arthroscopy(keyhole) with a fairly easy recovery, but it takes lots of time and physio to get the strength back so you may need to plan when the best time for you to have it.
Good luck and keep us posted
Kate

[runner01]

Hi
thanks for your reply.
seen sports doc 2day and he sent me for a cortisone injection which i also had 2day.
He said it will not heal the tear but may help and have no pain.if it does he said i can go back training. but will i still have a tear and can it go again?
what does FIA mean? and do u recommand i still have the surgery.
i goin to return back to uk this week and look into it more their.

[runner01]

Hi Kate
I just read that u live in uk so do i and am returning home next week.
can i have the surgery on the NHS.i take it i have to go and see my GP when i return and show him my MRI results.do u kow how long it take as i've already got results.
do u think it will be worth looking to go private?i dont know how any of this works as i've never need surgery or treatment.

Andrew

[oscarsmum]

Hi Andrew,

You can have it done on the NHS. I had a 3 month wait to see a consultant and then 4 month wait for surgery. It is about £4000 to have it done privatley but that won't include physio, which I think is hard to get on NHS if you have had the op done privately.
Where in the UK are you?
Kate

[runner01]

Hi Kate

Im in devon.that was my next question about physio.
so as soon as i arrive back home shall i go to my GP who hold back with things like this as i can walk.do u know if will i beable to return back to full training aftr.also trying cortisone but i know i will always have a tear.

thanks again Andrew

[runner01]

Hi
just spoke to my doctor in uk and all he had to say was (If doc in aus reccomended surgery to have it here)means i'll have to pay and (see him when i return but dont mean to say they will do surgery) that sounds like my doc so may see some one alse.
Andrew

[oscarsmum]

Andrew

Rayray and Janet live in the South West so they might chip in with the best person to see in that area, I know some names in London if you are willing to travel that far. Think the surgeons need to answer the running question depending on your individual case, but if there are no underlying issues I think you would have a good chance, but you will have to take rehab very slowly, think you are looking at least six months before even thinking about running( but if everything is straightforward you might be much quicker than that). The surgery is no big deal and only a day case/ overnight stay.

The only other advice I can give you is, as I and others have found, you need to keep pushing to get what you want and don't take no for an answer. With the new choose and book you can see any surgeon you want in the UK on the NHS so do lots of research and get a good surgeon, and if your GP won't refer you then get a new GP too!!!!
Good luck
Kate

[Rayray]

Hi Andrew,

Ask to see Mark Ashworth at Torbay. You can see him privately first (around £220) at the Mount Stuart Hospital, Torquay and then get transferred to the NHS. The other option is Mark Norton in Truro.

[Janet]

Hi Andrew,

I agree with Rayray - Mark Ashworth did my surgery and I can really recommend him. As Rayray says, Mark Norton also has a fantastic reputation. I would take Kate's advice and pester your GP until they refer you - you already have the results which show the diagnosis, so in theory, it should be straightforward. The problem comes when some GP's haven't even heard of the condition, as it is still a fairly newly discovered condition.

Best of luck and let us know how you get on.
Janet

[runner01]

Hi All
If i do private and see mark ashworth will that speed things along or does he contact my GP then have to wait for him to refer me.Also im already seein a sports Doc here in oz who will write me a note to GP but not sure he will listen to that.
Thanxs

[oscarsmum]

I think if you speak to his private secretary you can see him yourself then he will need to write to the GP following your appointment, and if you want to then be referred onto the NHS that would possibly involve your GP. His secretary should be able to clarify that for you. When I have contacted various private consultants their secretaries have always been very helpful. Surely if you have proof there is a problem your GP will have to refer you.

[runner01]

when you say my GP got 2 refer me do you mean to a sergon or some one alse.also i remember you sayining i can see any surgeon i want in the uk,do i ask my GP who i want to see.

Also what doe's (AFL) and (DYSPLASIA) mean as i've seen it on here and will MRI show this?

[runner01]

Hi janet
How did you go about having Mark do your op and how long did u have to wait for op and how long was your recovery.
If i go and see mark private can i then have him do the surgery on the NHS if i say to my GP.
Is he 1 of the best in the south west?

[oscarsmum]

FAI (impingment ) and dysplasia both cause repeated tears of the labrum. They can be diagnosed with plain x-rays and/or MRI.
You can gets lots of info if you google them, you are more likely to hace FAI as dysplasia is more common in women(tho not unheard of in men)
Hope this helps
Kate x

[Janet]

I didn't have to see my GP to be referred to Mark Ashworth, as I work at the same hospital as him. I saw the staff physio who referred me to see him. I waited about 7 months to have the surgery after seeing him, and as for the recovery time - I'm still in it! I had the open dislocation surgery, which has a longer recovery than the arthroscopy, but which surgery you have depends on what kind and how severe the impingement and labral tears are. Full recovery apparently takes 12-18 months, and I can believe it!

If you do go for a private appointment, you can certainly still have surgery on the NHS - you just sign a form to say that you are being referred back to the NHS. I believe Mark Ashworth is one of the best in the south-west, along with Mark Norton and Darren Fern at Truro.
Janet x

[runner01]

Hi
spoke to the Doc 2day bout MRI results and he said no sign of (FIA) so if i do need surgery i hope it will be straight ford as only showed up small tear which i think is good news.
got an appointment to see him in 10day to see if courtisone injection worked.
did anyone try that first?
hope it heals,if not i've got to fly home and see GP which is more time.

anyway keep :)

[suz82]

Hi kate, hope you are well. Just to let you know i had my pre assessment last mon, everythings still ok for the op on tues, only 2 days left to wait, whoop! He did say my pre op score was low (33 rather than the average of 58) so says my rehab will be slow and thinks i probably won't see much improvement at 2mth stage but expects i should at 5mth. He is shaving back the over hang on my socket and shaving a bump on the femoral head, he'll reattach the cartilage using anchors and stitching and may need to do a psoas release too as thinks that may also be catching. I'm still amazed at what they can achieve through a couple of small cuts! I'm so glad i'm finally getting it sorted now as the last couple of weeks have been really painful and the crutches are driving of mad! Will start a new thread post op with my recovery progress. He says 50% end up in the very good/excellent results group so fingers crossed i'll be one of them. Hi to everyone else too and hope everyone is doing ok. Suz.

[Rayray]

Good luck for Tuesday - will be thinking about you.

[oscarsmum]

Hi Suz,

Good luck for the op. Will be thinking of you, let me know how you get on.
It sounds like you are having a lot of work done, at least you have been given realistic recovery times so you will know what to expect. He definatley won't rush things, which I think is good.
Take care,
Kate x

[JudeYorkshire]

Hi,
Have been reading here about the symptoms of laberal tear and they fit exactly what I have been experiencing - groin pain, buttock pain, pain in the lower back.
I am waiting for a scan appointment, but am now worried that the CT scan I am having will not show this up. I cannot have an MRI as I have had a spinal fusion, which has metal in it.
Does anyone have a similar experience or any knowledge of types of scan. I am getting a bit desperate; the rheumatoligist seemed to ignore my symptoms and insist I had fibromyalgia!
Thanks,
Jude

[oscarsmum]

Hi Jude,

I can't answer the scan question, I have had MRI , MRAand my present consultant has requested a CT scan for surgery planning, which I am having next week, but I wondered whereabouts in Yorkshire you are based? I am in East Yorks, not far from the Humber Bridge, but went out of my area to have an Arthroscopy with Professor Schilders at Bradford. He is one of the top Arthroscopy Surgerons in the UK, is very thorough, and I can highly recommend him if you want a second opinion.
Good luck, let me know if you want more details,
Kate

[JudeYorkshire]

Hi Kate,
I live in east Yorkshire too, not far from the Humber Bridge! North ferriby in fact.
I'm VERY interested in what you told me; did your GP refer you to the surgeon in Bradford or did you have to go private?
Look forward to hearing from you,
Jude x

[oscarsmum]

Hi Jude,We're neighbours-I'm in Brough!:D

I was under a specialist at HRI,who told me there was nothing wrong with my hip, ( I am now waiting for a major surgery in London) he referred me to Bradford, when I insisted on a second opinion. You can see Prof Schilders ( who is amazing) on the NHS, at Bradford Royal Infirmary, and your GP should be able to refer you for that, or if you want to see him quicker you can go private to the Capio Hospital at Bingley. I saw him privatley first to see if he could help me, then went through the NHS after that. Don't bother with anyone locally, there isn't anyone in this area who can treat labral injuries( IMO) .

Kate

[focus_911]

Hi,
Have been reading here about the symptoms of laberal tear and they fit exactly what I have been experiencing - groin pain, buttock pain, pain in the lower back.
I am waiting for a scan appointment, but am now worried that the CT scan I am having will not show this up. I cannot have an MRI as I have had a spinal fusion, which has metal in it.
Does anyone have a similar experience or any knowledge of types of scan. I am getting a bit desperate; the rheumatoligist seemed to ignore my symptoms and insist I had fibromyalgia!
Thanks,
Jude

First off you need get the right specialty of doc to work with you on this issue. A Rheumatologist is not going to be of much help in diagnosing a sports type injury. Second if you ever deal with a physician that is ignoring your symptoms, go get another opinion-don't stick with someone who is being arrogant and not helping you do what it is they are paid to do.
Lastly why are you concerned the CT is going to be coming back negative? If there is a problem there, it is likely it will come up as a result, especially if you are experiencing a significant amount of main(usually means a few things are going on).
Cheers

[sueyorkshire]

Hi Jude,We're neighbours-I'm in Brough!:D

I was under a specialist at HRI,who told me there was nothing wrong with my hip, ( I am now waiting for a major surgery in London) he referred me to Bradford, when I insisted on a second opinion. You can see Prof Schilders ( who is amazing) on the NHS, at Bradford Royal Infirmary, and your GP should be able to refer you for that, or if you want to see him quicker you can go private to the Capio Hospital at Bingley. I saw him privatley first to see if he could help me, then went through the NHS after that. Don't bother with anyone locally, there isn't anyone in this area who can treat labral injuries( IMO) .

Kate


Hi Kate,
How are things with you are you any further with the operation, sorry if you have written this earlier, but as usual I dont seem to have too much time to read through everything.
I saw Prof. Schilders today, as usual 9.35 appointment and seen at 10.55. Nothing changes. As I mentioned before I was getting considerable pain again, infact I would say the last 3 weeks are like I was before the op. I am pretty sure that over a period of 5 months very gradually my operation has torn again. I have no idea how. He didnt seem too surprised, so not sure if this is something that happens sometimes. As I mentioned before I had 5 great months and really thought I was on the road to recovery, it is such a disappointment. He is sending me for an MRI scan with injection again, it will be in the next 8 weeks, but he cant see anyone before end of June, 16 weeks wait now, he is obviously a very popular surgeon. I am not going to get any answers or remedy in the near future but I still keep my fingers crossed for a positive ending to this nightmare.
My daughter who had her operation 2 months after me is doing really well and hopefully it has worked well for her.
I will try and keep up to date with this sight and keep an eye on your posts.
Best Wishes

Sue

[oscarsmum]

Hi Sue,

At least the clinic waiting times are consistent lol!
I'm sorry to hear your pain is as bad as it was pre -surgery, I know how disappointing it is when it doesn't work.Did he give you any indication to what the next plan of action would be? When I was in having my scope, there was a lady in having her second hip scoped, she was a year out from her first one, the pain had returned after about 7 months and Mr Schilders had just referred her for a resurfacing. The way I look at things is, that if you do need a more drastic surgery at least you know that you have explored all the options first.
It's good to hear that your daughter is doing well, the more I hear about Arthroscopies, it seems there aren't that many long term successes. I still think it's worth a shot though.
I have seen a surgeon in London, and am scheduled to have a Periacetabular Osteotomy( PAO) on 12th May. I can't wait for that, as I am still worse than I was pre-op, and can't walk further than a few hundred yards without a stick, and have had to halve my hours at work. I have an appointment with Prof Schilders on 8th June, because he still wants to keep an eye on me, even though he has referred me( not many surgeons would do that, would they!)
Good luck with your scan, and the following appointment. Please keep me updated with how you get on, and also how your daughter does. I hope she continues to do so well, and I really hope you manage to get things sorted soon.
Thanks for the update,
Take care
Kate x

[focus_911]

Hi Kate,
How are things with you are you any further with the operation, sorry if you have written this earlier, but as usual I dont seem to have too much time to read through everything.
I saw Prof. Schilders today, as usual 9.35 appointment and seen at 10.55. Nothing changes. As I mentioned before I was getting considerable pain again, infact I would say the last 3 weeks are like I was before the op. I am pretty sure that over a period of 5 months very gradually my operation has torn again. I have no idea how. He didnt seem too surprised, so not sure if this is something that happens sometimes. As I mentioned before I had 5 great months and really thought I was on the road to recovery, it is such a disappointment. He is sending me for an MRI scan with injection again, it will be in the next 8 weeks, but he cant see anyone before end of June, 16 weeks wait now, he is obviously a very popular surgeon. I am not going to get any answers or remedy in the near future but I still keep my fingers crossed for a positive ending to this nightmare.
My daughter who had her operation 2 months after me is doing really well and hopefully it has worked well for her.
I will try and keep up to date with this sight and keep an eye on your posts.
Best Wishes

Sue

Hey Sue,
Sorry to hear that your scope didn't go well. The good thing is that you have had the chance to go thru and give it a go tho. I have been trying to settle a lot of life stuff so I have been bad at keeping track how everyone has been doing here, tho I am glad to say I am back and going thru all the posts.
Were you ever diagnosed with dysplasia or other anatomical abnormalities?

I don't know if you have gone thru my post but I also received a hip scope, http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/reith-orthohip070115.mov and had some similar if not identical results as you. At 7 months post op I continued to be a serious amount of pain, so bad in fact I had to quit working, riding and become a house bum as I call it. I couldn't function at all, even doing basic things such as getting dressed were difficult. At the time I did not find Dr. Mohtadi to be very responsive to me being in a lot of pain or to the lack of progress I was making. When I went thru a very close friend of mine I was seen as a personal favor by one of our head orthopedic surgeons here for lower extremity trauma. This gent diagnosed me with dysplasia.

A diagnosis of dysplasia or any other congenital problem can be what makes the difference in a successful or not successful scope.

Again my apology if I am forcing you to be repetitive with my questions. I will go back now and see if I can fill in the blanks on what you went thru.

My story started a couple years ago and I am not anywhere near done yet. I have managed to survive thru this all and still continue to fight the frustration attached with trying to correct some serious hip problems so I know if I've managed to do it, you can.

Baby steps are the secret!

Kelly

[JudeYorkshire]

Hi Kate,
Thanks for you reply. What's the chances of being such close neighbours!
I'm a bit of a novice at this and kept looking in the wrong place; it's complicated with all the different strands. (when I first signed on they put me on the cricket injury forum, hey ho).
Your information was very useful; I'm going to see my GP tonight so I'll ask about a referral.
Good luck with your operation; is it the same thing again or a follow up to what Professor Schilders did?
Best wishes,
Jude x

[oscarsmum]

Hi Kate,
Thanks for you reply. What's the chances of being such close neighbours!
I'm a bit of a novice at this and kept looking in the wrong place; it's complicated with all the different strands. (when I first signed on they put me on the cricket injury forum, hey ho).
Your information was very useful; I'm going to see my GP tonight so I'll ask about a referral.
Good luck with your operation; is it the same thing again or a follow up to what Professor Schilders did?
Best wishes,
Jude x

Jude,

How did your appointment go, any luck with the referral?

My next operation is to realign my hip socket, because it doesn't cover the head of the femur properly as it is too shallow. It basically involves cutting the pelvis in about three places, rerpositionong the socket, and screwing it back in a better position.The Arthroscopy didn't work for me because the shallow socket causes the cartilage to tear, and I retore just two weeks after the scope.I did know that was a strong chance before I had the Arthroscopy, but it was such a simple surgery, Profess Schilders decided it was worth trying to see if it helped before undergoing a PAO which is a major surgery and needs to be done in London. ( The consultant I saw at HRI basically said that there was not a problem with the joint, even though I had an op as a toddler, and he made me feel as if I were imagining the pain, so I don't have a lot of faith in HRI ). I am really glad that I has the scope in Bradford, as I know that I have explored all the options.

Keep in touch

Kate

[JudeYorkshire]

Hi Kate,
Been to see the doctor and he agreed to refer me to the specialist in Bradford. Which is good news.
Good luck with the op
Jude :)

[oscarsmum]

Hi Kate,
Been to see the doctor and he agreed to refer me to the specialist in Bradford. Which is good news.
Good luck with the op
Jude :)

Thats great news, keep in touch and let me know when you get an appointment.
Kate x

[sueyorkshire]

Hi Sue,

At least the clinic waiting times are consistent lol!
I'm sorry to hear your pain is as bad as it was pre -surgery, I know how disappointing it is when it doesn't work.Did he give you any indication to what the next plan of action would be? When I was in having my scope, there was a lady in having her second hip scoped, she was a year out from her first one, the pain had returned after about 7 months and Mr Schilders had just referred her for a resurfacing. The way I look at things is, that if you do need a more drastic surgery at least you know that you have explored all the options first.
It's good to hear that your daughter is doing well, the more I hear about Arthroscopies, it seems there aren't that many long term successes. I still think it's worth a shot though.
I have seen a surgeon in London, and am scheduled to have a Periacetabular Osteotomy( PAO) on 12th May. I can't wait for that, as I am still worse than I was pre-op, and can't walk further than a few hundred yards without a stick, and have had to halve my hours at work. I have an appointment with Prof Schilders on 8th June, because he still wants to keep an eye on me, even though he has referred me( not many surgeons would do that, would they!)
Good luck with your scan, and the following appointment. Please keep me updated with how you get on, and also how your daughter does. I hope she continues to do so well, and I really hope you manage to get things sorted soon.
Thanks for the update,
Take care
Kate x

Hi Kate,

Was really interested to hear you met someone who had it done again. It has worried me silly that he would just say he couldnt do any more.
I was convinced at 5 months it had worked, I didnt have an experienced physio and was told that unless I had the same or similar accident I would be fine, I am concerned I started back with normal household and shopiing activities too soon. I also did have a slip on holiday which seemed to be my first trigger. It did take another 3 months after that for me to start being affected walking etc. I am now exactly 1 year post op and I do have good and bad days, if I do little around the house and sit at my desk and work I am perfectly ok, I can walk for say 10 minutes quite well but it is the length of time walking which seems to make it worse or standing for a long period. I do think my hip has re torn but not sure if all of it has. Hopefully the MRI with injection will show this. I was worried he wouldnt do it again because I would definately have it done and be even more cautious next time than I was this time.
I think my daughter is proof it does work, although she couldnt go skiing, gymnastics etc. She seems happy to be getting about quite well she is more or less pain free. She was at College for dance and certainly couldnt do that again. She manages to get about normal everyday activites and that seems fine for her. After the pain anything has to be better.

I wish you well in May and will keep an eye on your progress.

Sue

[sueyorkshire]

Hey Sue,
Sorry to hear that your scope didn't go well. The good thing is that you have had the chance to go thru and give it a go tho. I have been trying to settle a lot of life stuff so I have been bad at keeping track how everyone has been doing here, tho I am glad to say I am back and going thru all the posts.
Were you ever diagnosed with dysplasia or other anatomical abnormalities?

I don't know if you have gone thru my post but I also received a hip scope, http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/reith-orthohip070115.mov and had some similar if not identical results as you. At 7 months post op I continued to be a serious amount of pain, so bad in fact I had to quit working, riding and become a house bum as I call it. I couldn't function at all, even doing basic things such as getting dressed were difficult. At the time I did not find Dr. Mohtadi to be very responsive to me being in a lot of pain or to the lack of progress I was making. When I went thru a very close friend of mine I was seen as a personal favor by one of our head orthopedic surgeons here for lower extremity trauma. This gent diagnosed me with dysplasia.

A diagnosis of dysplasia or any other congenital problem can be what makes the difference in a successful or not successful scope.

Again my apology if I am forcing you to be repetitive with my questions. I will go back now and see if I can fill in the blanks on what you went thru.

My story started a couple years ago and I am not anywhere near done yet. I have managed to survive thru this all and still continue to fight the frustration attached with trying to correct some serious hip problems so I know if I've managed to do it, you can.

Baby steps are the secret!

Kelly


Hi Kelly,
Briefly, I fell on the stairs on christmas morning 2007. I was running downstairs and although I managed to keep my feet on the stairs my hip followed through with an almighty burning pain. I new immediately I had torn something, it was horrendous. My Doctor made me go for physio before sending me to a surgeon, I managed one visit before I told them I would pay privately. My Specialist sent me for an MRIi and found I had a labrel tear. I am sorry but I am not very technical so only know the basics. It was February 2008 when I had my operation. I found it a very easy operation not painful and was up on crutches the next day. After 6 weeks I was back at work, driving and walking slowly. By June I was able to walk quite a distance pain free, although it did feel weak, I felt wonderful. This lasted until September. Around September I started to get problems, first a tweak, then a slight pain but it would go off, by November I new things werent right it was becoming more painful to walk and I did fall down like a sack of potatoes when I walked on an uneven pavement. This month February has been pretty bad although I do have good days, which I did before the op, so that is why I believe I am nearly if not quite back to how I was pre my op. I believe that my repair has not held and that it has torn very slightly more each month. If I was to compare it I would say it is like having 10 stitches and 2 giving each month.

Baby steps are indeed the secret, bit annoying when your 74 year old mum goes charging on ahead of you though. lol.

Take Care
sue

[LarryCarter]

Hi MG!
Hope you are doing better and you are rid of those miserable charlie horses - had a nice little toast to you on Tues. with a frosty Pike Place Ale. That's so funny about the lingerie -it reminded me a bit of last night, when I was meeting with my tennis group (now I just organize since I'm not playing, but meet in the bar afterwards for drinks and dinner) and some of the players were saying things like, "You've got to get back on the court soon!" or "Do you really play tennis?" -like I'm not TOTALLY MISSING IT and like I want to not be playing? Granted, they've had a few drinks when they say those things and some of them are new recruits who I haven't played with. Still, it kind of bums me out. My husband thought I was being WAY to sensitive (I was grousing on the way home last night). I also saw another tennis player friend of mine on Saturday who said he saw this person cluthing her leg and half walking/limping (he was doing my sea captain routine) downtown and then he realized it was me (I was trying to catch the bus). I didn't realize I looked that bad, I actually really feel a lot better. My PT has been giving me some exercises with a band that seem to be helping. I just have to be very careful not to overdo anything. I think of you when I swim, since it is not something I normally do. It has been difficult to get in the water on the very very cold nights after work and the water is not very warm!!! I'll bet you are a really good swimmer. I can't swim very long so it hardly makes it worth getting all wet - particularly my hair. Still, it's good psychologically for me. How do you keep your hair from getting all damaged from the chlorine? I'm also a terrible swimmer, so now my neck hurts a bit, but I'm not complaining (I never learned to breath properly). My poor husband had all those cortisone injections in his neck and today was day 5. He was supposed to feel relief by day 5 or the injections didn't work. He is not feeling any better. Are you able to do those gentle squeezes with your quad yet? How is the pain? You take a lot of the same vitamins as me. I do take Glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate, which the doctors seem to think really help with rebuilding cartildge, but I thought I heard a story recently about a study that said it really didn't do anything. Other recent studies have show that people who take vitamins don't live as long as people who don't take them. It makes me wonder what they put in the vitamins, since it's not really regulated. I really want to quit but I'm addicted! I do think the Turmeric helps, I take a capsule every day. It doesn't taste that good in food. Does the green stuff you take have algae, kelp and other good vitamins/minerals in it? I do put flaxseed and flaxseed meal in my smoothies every morning, along with bee pollen. Yum yum. I love my smoothies. Sounds like you eat really healthy like me. I love wild king salmon. It's sure getting expensive now though. So are you watching any good movies? Shows? I just got the second season of Weeds from the Library. It is hysterical. You would like it. It is an HBO show. I'm going to need to pack it in, off to visit the in-laws until Sunday. At least it will be warm (they live in Nevada). Hope you are feeling better and better every day. Hopefully the weather will brighten up so you can get some natural vitamin D. Take care:) AM

It is very hard to get out of these injuries. I am sport lover so injuries are part of my life but one thing for sure injuries guides you better way to play sports